Thank you all for the feedback I received on my Win 7 64bits posting. Virtual PC does not work on Win 7 Home.
Dosbox is very slow with the screen buildup when you have a full 'Related Records Window'. And I have many. So after going through Bob's list I have decided to install one of the new PCs with Win XP. Unless...someone knows about VirtualBox. Any experience here? Gerard 2012/12/6 Gerard van Loenhout <[email protected]> > Goodday to you all, > > Just like Brian I kept Geoff Worboys list as well. > It's now 3 years later and I have bought my first Windows 7 (64bit) PC. > > Should I reinstall it with Win XP or did someone already find an *easy*way to > run DP on Win7? > > By the way: I don't care about printing. The DP files are on a network > drive. > > So, if someone knows an easy way please share it with me. > > Regards > Gerard van Loenhout > > > > > > > 2010/1/26 Brian Hancock <[email protected]> > >> Hi Geoff, >> >> Nice research, I will keep this posting as a good reference for some of >> the >> options available. >> >> >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: [email protected] >> [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Geoff Worboys >> Sent: Tuesday, 26 January 2010 5:53 PM >> To: [email protected] >> Subject: [Dataperf] DP into the future >> >> Hi All, >> >> Some recent posts by Don Friedman inspired this essay and idea. >> He said: >> > It would seem that the "squeeze" we all anticipated a decade >> > ago is starting to be felt. >> and >> > I miss the continuity of our DP efforts but I have to believe >> > that the handwriting is on the wall. >> >> I agree with these sentiments, the push from Microsoft to leave >> 16bit behind is beginning to really squeeze. This post is an >> attempt to consolidate a list of some of the ways to keep DP >> productive a bit longer. >> >> >> I've been mostly silent on this list for many years... until a >> few days ago when discussions relating to running DP on x64 >> versions of Windows highlighted that I probably could not run >> DP (directly) on my own system. I believe I had read about >> this previously but because I no longer use DP on a regular >> basis I had not thought to check it out. >> >> I got my clients away from DP over 10 years go; the old DP >> application started only occasionally to retrieve very old >> payroll data (and getting more and more rare). But this does >> highlight that there may be several (many?) years after you >> officially finish with DP that you (or your successors) may >> still want to run old DP apps. Even now, when all the old >> payroll data is out of date even of legal requirement, I would >> be reluctant to have a system where I could no longer run DP >> (one way or another). >> >> >> I already use VMware for other reasons so my own situation is >> fairly straight forward, but I can imagine, from what I have >> seen on this list, that others have more sophisticated >> requirements than my own. >> >> There are many possibilities, below are some that I know about. >> I have NOT tried all the items in this list, they are simply >> the results of my researches (now and in the past): >> >> >> Free (DOS capable/compatible) operating systems (to be used >> directly or combined with emulators or virtualisation): >> >> . FreeDOS - http://www.freedos.org/ >> - Claims 100% compatibility with MS-DOS. >> - Open-source; source and binary distributions >> - Last update: v0.73 - May 2009 >> >> . DR-DOS/OpenDOS Enhancement Project - >> http://www.drdosprojects.de/ >> - Not exactly open-source, see the web-site >> - Last update: v7.01.08 - Jul 2009 >> >> . ReactOS - http://www.reactos.org/en/index.html >> - Replacement for MS Windows XP (still in alpha >> and not feature-complete) >> - Open source; source and binary distributions >> including VMware and VirtualBox images. >> - I read that it does not (yet) run 16bit apps (DOS) >> but perhaps it can run DOSbox or other emulator >> to allow execution of DP >> - Last update: v0.3.11 Dec 2009 >> >> . Linux can run some of the DOS emulators below and >> also has WINE (a Windows emulator) available that >> may solve some situations. >> >> >> Emulators: >> >> . DOSbox - http://www.dosbox.com/ >> - A 32bit DOS emulation application >> - Windows, Linux, Mac and others (will run >> inside 64bit Windows) >> - Can execute (at least some) 16bit DOS apps including >> many of the utilities available with FreeDOS. >> - Open-source; source and binary distributions >> - Last update: v0.73 - May 2009 >> >> . DOSEMU - http://www.dosemu.org >> - A 32bit DOS emulation application >> - Linux systems only >> - Can execute (at least some) 16bit DOS apps >> - Open-source; source and binary distributions >> - Last update: v1.4.0.1 - May 2007 (but some >> activity showing in sourceforge through 2010) >> >> . Bochs - http://bochs.sourceforge.net/ >> - A 32bit x86 PC emulator >> - Windows, Linux, Mac and others (will run >> inside 64bit Windows) >> - Can execute many x86 operating systems >> - Open-source; source and binary distributions >> - Last update: v2.4.2 - Nov 2009 >> >> . JPC - http://www-jpc.physics.ox.ac.uk/ >> - A (32bit?) x86 PC emulator >> - Java (most operating systems) >> - Can execute many x86 operating systems >> - Open-source; source and binary distributions >> - Last update: Jul 2009 >> >> >> Virtualisation: >> >> . Microsoft - have several virtualisation solutions; >> Virtual PC, App-V, Hyper-V etc. >> http://www.microsoft.com/virtualization/en/us/default.aspx >> - Latest versions run only under Windows 7 >> - Latest versions officially support only Windows 7, >> Vista and XP guest systems >> - Older versions can support a wider range of host and >> guest operating systems - if you can get them. >> - Commercial products with some free offerings >> >> . VMware - have several virtualisation solutions; >> Player, Workstation, Fusion, Server, ESXi etc. >> http://www.vmware.com/ >> - (Where applicable) can run under several operating >> systems including: Windows (XP thru 7), Linux >> and Mac (see the Fusion product). >> - Supports many guest operating systems including: >> MS-DOS, Windows (WFW, 95 thru 7), Linux, Novell, >> FreeBSD, Sun >> - Provides additional tools to install on guests to >> improve integration with the host, these include >> support for guests: Win95 and later, Linux, Solaris, >> FreeBSD, Netware >> - Older versions can operate under (be hosted by) older >> versions of Windows/Linux etc. >> - Commercial products with some free offerings >> >> . VirtualBox - http://www.virtualbox.org/ >> - Can run under several operating systems including: >> Windows (XP thru 7), Linux, Solaris and Mac >> - Supports many guest operating systems including: >> MS-DOS, Windows (3.1, 95 thru 7), Linux, Solaris, >> FreeBSD, OpenBSD, OS/2 Warp 4.5. >> - Provides additional tools to install on guests to >> improve integration with the host, these include >> support for guests: WinNT and later, Linux, Solaris >> and OS/2, >> - Mixed licence options; includes an open-source/free >> version (that excludes certain important features >> like RDP and USB support) and a free for personal >> use (or evaluation) edition with all features. >> >> >> And as I noted on a previous posting there are many other >> virtualisation/emulation products, some of which can be found >> listed here: >> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Comparison_of_platform_virtual_machines >> >> >> Idea: >> >> Where all this is leading is the idea that the community here >> could put together instructions and/or installations to assist >> users to migrate to some useful alternative DP configuration >> and so offer an even longer future. >> >> . disk images (using FreeDOS and DP etc) ready to use in >> one or more of the emulators listed above >> >> . installation/zip collections of tested configurations >> (for example; DOSbox, FreeDOS and DP). >> >> . VMware and/or VirtualBox images with appropriate >> installation/configuration: >> - FreeDOS and DP >> - Linux / WINE / DOSEMU|DOSbox and DP >> - ReactOS and DOSbox and DP >> >> (It would have been neat to include TAME in some/any of >> the above... maybe he would permit an evaluation version >> to be installed.) >> >> The first two points I suggest would best be created as network >> ready; waiting for the user to direct the configuration to >> specific network paths and printers. Only the third option is >> probably practical to create with it's own disk capacity for >> databases etc. >> >> I don't actually have the time to try all these out myself, >> these are just some thoughts to see what people think. If any >> people here had time to experiment with some of these options >> (or others that may be out there), then documenting the results >> could help other people looking to solve particular problems. >> >> -- >> Geoff Worboys >> Telesis Computing >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Dataperf mailing list >> [email protected] >> http://lists.dataperfect.nl/mailman/listinfo/dataperf >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Dataperf mailing list >> [email protected] >> http://lists.dataperfect.nl/mailman/listinfo/dataperf >> > >
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