(Replied privately by mistake) Or you can use VMWare Player for free.
On Mar 23, 2013, at 7:20 PM, Eric Donn <[email protected]> wrote: > Hi all, > > Like Brian I use VMware Player - and the virtual machine is Windows XP. I > use tamedos, and using Uwe Sieber's freeware DOS fonts in combination with > the screen size on the layout tab of a shortcut to DP you can get the DP > almost the size of the screen but windowed. > Also like Brian I use predominantly W7 64bit but also have some XP and W7 > 32bit machines, and I also run virtual machines. I have virtualised MSDOS > and IBM PCDOS 2000 but that does not allow the use of DPSpool. It takes less > than an hour to get up and running with VMware player. > > VMware workstation costs around $200 US and that allows you to clone virtual > machines. > > Regards > Eric Donn > Director > J.I.T. Systems Ltd > “ZERO DOWN TIME OR WE FIX IT FOR FREE” > > > -----Original Message----- > From: [email protected] > [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of > [email protected] > Sent: Sunday, 17 February 2013 11:00 > To: [email protected] > Subject: Re: [Dataperf] Screen size win7/32 > > G'day Geert, > > But there are often compelling reasons to use the 64bit variant. I have so > many computers with so many variants of operating systems, versions of > applications I have written, versions of Microsoft Office etc that I need to > still occasionally support. So in the interests of de-cluttering, and > reducing my electricity bills (cutting greenhouse emissions and saving the > planet) I decided I should dump the machines and create Virtual images of > them, and load them in VMWare, so I have reduced my PC's down to 2 (you got > to have one spare if the other breaks down). Windows 32Bit cannot access > enough RAM for my liking, but with my Windows 7 64-bit with 16Gb RAM INTEL > i7, I can run three or four Windows sessions simultaneously each using an > optimal amount of RAM - and in fact individually they each run faster as VM > on the newer hardware than they ran as physical machines. Also many machines > comes preloaded with the 64Bit version of Windows 7, or my clients have them, > so it's not going to go away. > > But if I need to run a virtual machine for a specific application, eg DP, I > do not want to use a slower more resource hungry operating system than I > need, also if you use say Windows 7 - 32Bit as a virtual machine, any changes > you make to the virtual hardware potentially means you have to reactivate > Windows, and if runs out of activation before Microsoft thinks you are a > pirate you have to call and explain and beg Microsoft to let you reactivate. > Which is why I advocate if you go the virtual PC way, you go for the slimmest > non-activating OS that you can work with. > > Bye > Brian > > -----Original Message----- > From: [email protected] > [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of [email protected] > Sent: Sunday, 17 February 2013 2:17 AM > To: [email protected] > Subject: Re: [Dataperf] Screen size win7/32 > > I still think that a WIN 7/32 CD is the cheapest and easiest solution for > dummies like me :) > > Regards, > Geert. > > PS: > I live in the south of France and I may be able to take care of two Aussie > kids for a couple of weeks without breaching any Microsoft licencing, on the > condition that they can survive on french food ! ;) > > > On Sat, 16 Feb 2013 10:50:52 +0100, Gerard van Loenhout > <[email protected]> wrote: >> Brian, how much does a babysitter cost nowadays in Sydney and how much >> time would you need ;-) Gerard > > >> 2013/2/16 <[email protected]> >>> Hi all,**** >>> ** ** >>> I run DP on Win7Pro 64bit, using VMWare Player. It easy to do, and >>> you get great performance if you use say Windows 98SE as the Guest >>> operating system. You can of course use Win 7 32Bit as the Guest >>> operating system but that’s a lot of overhead to run a DOS app that >>> itself can easily fit a floppy diskette if anyone could ever find one >>> of those relics from the past. **** >>> >>> ** ** >>> >>> I have also had reasonable success with running FreeDOS/PCDOS and >>> MSDOS as the guest operating system, but there a few hurdles to >>> overcome. **** >>> >>> ** ** >>> >>> Firstly you need to create a VM Machine and hard drive and leave it >>> empty. **** >>> >>> Then you have to create a DOS bootable virtual floppy boot disk, (I >>> am trying to think what software I used for that), but you can tell >>> VMWare to use this “floppy diskette image”, and its bidirectional, >>> you can read and write to the virtual image from within VMWare. You >>> need to configure the VM to use this image as its floppy diskette >>> (You can do the same thing with CD-ROM or ISO images, but since you >>> need to install drivers into DOS to read the CD-ROM it is something >>> of a Catch-22, you can add CD-ROM support later in the >>> configuration)**** >>> >>> ** ** >>> >>> I should add that the Virtual Floppy Diskette image must contain not >>> just the boot files, but also you will probably need utilities like >>> Format.com, MSCDEX.EXE, XCOPY, etc etc, whatever you can fit into >>> 1.44Mb (I have never gotten the 2.88Mb Floppy image VMWare supports >>> to work)**** >>> >>> ** ** >>> >>> The next hurdle is to get VMWare to boot this floppy, normally it >>> will want to boot from the virtual hard drive you originally create, >>> and the damn things runs so fast that you can’t press the F2 or F12 >>> key to configure create a boot sequence so that it tries to boot from >>> the floppy first. If you insert “bios.bootDelay = "5000"“ as a line >>> in the VM’s VMX file then you will get a 5 second (5000 milliseconds) >>> window of opportunity to get to the F12 key to choose to boot from >>> floppy. **** >>> >>> ** ** >>> >>> Ok, so here you are. Probably looking at a very familiar screen (for >>> older >>> members) where you are asked to enter today’s time and date, followed >>> by another familiar C:\> It all becomes very nostalgic.**** >>> >>> ** ** >>> >>> So then you have to do some work. The next thing to test your memory >>> and internet researching abilities is to set up the autoexec.bat and >>> config.sys so that you can configure the DOS memory, HIMEM UMB, Files >>> and Buffers (you need these to get DP to work, a minimum of 40 >>> files). (DO NOT be tempted to load SHARE, it was never much use >>> anyway). You also need to add the Driver for the CDROM and parameters >>> into the config.sys, and MSCDEX and its parameters into the >>> autoexec.bat. **** >>> >>> ** ** >>> >>> But once you have that you have a virtual machine that boots up (and >>> very quickly if you remove or change the bios.bootDelay parameter, >>> and get to a comfortable C:\> in no time flat, unless you left the >>> boot sequence to Floppy diskette and still have the image in.**** >>> >>> ** ** >>> >>> Ok now to whet your appetite you will need to get DP and say a DP >>> application on there. You can access shares, USB sticks. Floppies are >>> just a little slow, because you cannot change the virtual floppy, so >>> you could repetitively reboot the VM incrementally and copy fragments >>> from incrementally created floppy images. I chose to put a large app >>> and the DP files onto an CD ISO image, using WinImage (I think) as >>> the creator. >>> Then >>> XCOPY’d (if you remembered to install it and set the PATH so your dos >>> utilities), into a new folder. You can use the internal COPY command, >>> but my app had folders to contend with so XCOPY is far less of a >>> headache.**** >>> >>> ** ** >>> >>> Fire up DP and watch it fly. **** >>> >>> ** ** >>> >>> But, now the really difficult part starts. Its one things to have DP >>> working on a Virtual Machine island but to interact with the real >>> world is more difficult. First you need to install a network device >>> driver then TCP/IP stack, and then an MS NET Client or similar on >>> top. There are many of these. Then you have to tweak it to access >>> shares (remember that DOS will not connect to a share not in 8.3 name >>> format. Also the Host needs some registry changes to allow the type >>> of authentication that the early DOS network clients used, and then >>> you need to set us shares for the printers, and redirect LPT1, to use >>> one of these shares. I got it working some time ago, and I was >>> pleased with how it worked, but it was way too much work. **** >>> >>> ** ** >>> >>> The Win98SE alternatively works wonderfully, and you do not have to >>> worry about Windows activation like with later versions, so you can >>> keep multiple versions of your appliance (remembering of course >>> Microsoft’s licencing arrangements J) printing works fine, I imagine >>> things like DPSpool etc will also work. Antiviruses are a problem >>> since there are not too many now for Win 98, but if you only ever use >>> it for DP then its probably not much of a worry. By using a more >>> lightweight Guest OS, there are few demands on late model hardware so >>> you will probably see Win98 work at speeds you never thought >>> possible. Sharing files either direction etc is also so much easier. >>> **** >>> >>> ** ** >>> >>> If I ever have time, and that’s rare with two kids around the house, >>> and if I can make a pre-made appliance which does not breach >>> Microsoft licencing I will upload one so anyone can use it.**** >>> >>> ** ** >>> >>> Bye**** >>> >>> Brian**** >>> >>> ** ** >>> >>> ** ** >>> >>> *From:* [email protected] [mailto: >>> [email protected]] *On Behalf Of *Gerard van Loenhout >>> *Sent:* Saturday, 16 February 2013 7:31 AM >>> *To:* Jon Ong >>> *Cc:* Dataperfect Users Discussion Group >>> *Subject:* Re: [Dataperf] Screen size win7/32**** >>> >>> ** ** >>> >>> Jon, I find dosbox a bit too slow building up, especially with data >>> from >>> links.**** >>> >>> And we are 5 people using it on a network, that's why I chose not to >>> use >>> dosbox.**** >>> >>> ** ** >>> >>> But I guess a relaxed person like you ;-) would probably be okay with >>> dosbox. You can always try it. It's free.**** >>> >>> ** ** >>> >>> I know other people that are happy with dosbox on Win7/64.**** >>> >>> ** ** >>> >>> Gerard **** >>> >>> ** ** >>> >>> 2013/2/15 Jong <[email protected]>**** >>> >>> Gerard, Geert & Tim:**** >>> >>> **** >>> >>> Really nice to get continued support for our DP dinosaur from the gang. >>> **** >>> >>> **** >>> >>> I've considered switching to Access or other databases but I still >>> believe simple is better, especially with complex data sets that I >>> deal with in a medical practice.**** >>> >>> **** >>> >>> Full screen really only a concern for the portable netbooks I have to >>> carry around at work, I realize that's not too much of an issue on >>> the big >>> screen.**** >>> >>> **** >>> >>> From what I've seen so far, someone (excuse me for forgetting who it >>> was) >>> said win7/32 pro allowed XP emulation with full screen so it looks >>> like that's the easiest way to go for me. **** >>> >>> **** >>> >>> As for win7/64, (which unfortunatley I have on one of my laptops), it >>> looks like best solution is creating a virtual PC using VMware and >>> then WinXP -- lots of work there.**** >>> >>> **** >>> >>> Jon**** >>> >>> -----Original Message----- >>> *From:* Gerard van Loenhout [mailto:[email protected]] >>> *Sent:* Friday, February 15, 2013 12:26 AM >>> *To:* [email protected] >>> *Cc:* [email protected]; Dataperfect Users Discussion Group >>> *Subject:* Re: [Dataperf] DOS in Win 7/64 questions**** >>> >>> Hi Jong! **** >>> >>> ** ** >>> >>> I use DP Win7 / 32 Home. The window is not bigger than the dosbox in >>> XP.** >>> ** >>> >>> I find it quite comfortable to work with. **** >>> >>> With these big screens nowadays I haven't actually tried >>> fullscreen.**** >>> >>> ** ** >>> >>> Geert probably knows more.**** >>> >>> ** ** >>> >>> Gerard **** >>> >>> ** ** >>> >>> 2013/2/14 Jong <[email protected]>**** >>> >>> Geert & everyone: >>> >>> Thanks for the latest info on Dp in Win7/32, just a few clarifiers: >>> >>> 1. Do you have pro or home version Win7/32? >>> 2. Does DP run in full screen mode? >>> 3. How do you print up your HTML output from DP? >>> 4. Is there a print spooler we can use similar to DP Spool to make >>> printing seamless? >>> >>> Jon**** >>> >>> >>> -----Original Message----- >>> From: [email protected] >>> [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of [email protected] >>> Sent: Thursday, February 14, 2013 6:49 AM >>> To: [email protected] >>> Subject: Re: [Dataperf] DOS in Win 7/64 questions >>> >>> >>> Hi all, >>> >>> I can only agree with Gerard : I am running DP 'straight out of the box' >>> without any problem on a Win7/32 system. NB: I don't even use Tame ! >>> >>> All my reports are saved into html-files, which solves all possible >>> printing problems... >>> >>> Regards, >>> Geert. >>> >>> >>> >>> On Wed, 13 Feb 2013 09:03:25 +0100, Gerard van Loenhout >>> <[email protected]> wrote: >>> >>>> Don, I was the one who started the most recent discussion about Win7. >>>> DosBox is too slow. I bought a couple of Win7/64 PCs at Dell. I >>>> bought a CD from them with Win7/32 for the same PCs so I had the >>>> right drivers. Now DP works fine. >>> >>>> 2013/2/12 Don Friedman <[email protected]> >>>>> I know that there has been discussion about this but I can't seem >>>>> to find a way to search it out on the main site. Is their a trick >>>>> to that? >>>>> I've finally "grown up" and put a couple of Win7/64 boxes in the >>> office. >>>>> I'm assuming that I can run dosbox to run DP without much trouble >>>>> - I never have a need to print from DP and if I remember right >>>>> that was part of the problem. Am I on the right track here? I'm >>>>> assuming that it will >>> still >>>>> be >>>>> faster to run DP via dosbox on my newer machines than to run them >>>>> on >>> my >>>>> older XP machine. >>>>> Don >>>>> -- >>>>> *Don Friedman >>>>> ProfessionalRecords.Com LLC >>>>> PRS Data Systems >>>>> Liveport WiFi* >>> _______________________________________________ >>> Dataperf mailing list >>> [email protected] >>> http://lists.dataperfect.nl/mailman/listinfo/dataperf >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> Dataperf mailing list >>> [email protected] >>> http://lists.dataperfect.nl/mailman/listinfo/dataperf**** >>> >>> ** ** >>> >>> ** ** >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> Dataperf mailing list >>> [email protected] >>> http://lists.dataperfect.nl/mailman/listinfo/dataperf >>> >>> > > > -- > > Vriendelijke groeten, > Geert De Baets > mailto:[email protected] > Web: http://www.debaets.be > > Using M2, Opera's revolutionary e-mail client: http://www.opera.com/m2/ > _______________________________________________ > Dataperf mailing list > [email protected] > http://lists.dataperfect.nl/mailman/listinfo/dataperf > > _______________________________________________ > Dataperf mailing list > [email protected] > http://lists.dataperfect.nl/mailman/listinfo/dataperf > > > ______________________________________________________________________________ > > This email has been scrubbed for your protection by J.I.T. 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