Thanks Tim,
For me, DP is used to support my business. I run reports on an
occasional basis, often printing to disk for mail merge purposes.
I may look things up on it during the day, but there is not a
continual use. Two other DOS programs are another matter. Rather
than switch to the 32-bit version, using the emulator may work
better for me as I would like to have the memory for other uses.
I had heard the Windows 10 has a DOS prompt built in. Is that
true, and if so, what can one run on it.
Thank to you and everyone else for this help.
Charlie
On 12/10/2017 1:26 PM, Tim Rude wrote:
Charlie,
Windows (any version) in the 64-bit flavor does not have the NTVDM
stuff needed to run 16-bit (DOS) applications. So there is no way
to natively run DP (or other DOS programs) in Windows 10 64-bit.
Thus, you end up having to run DP in some kind of emulator. VDos
has been mentioned as a popular choice. Other choices are things
like Oracle's Virtual Box where you install a 32-bit (or 16-bit)
OS on a virtual drive and run DP in that. While these work, you
often have a (sometimes significant) speed penalty, and it can be
difficult to get a virtual OS set up properly to communicate with
the printers, network, etc.
That's why if running DP is a mission-critical role for the
computer, installing 32-bit Windows is recommended. With 32-bit,
it just works without having to futz around with things so much.
Tim Rude
On 12/10/2017 12:14 PM, Charles G.
Wolf wrote:
What happens with DP (or other DOS
programs) if I use the 64-bit version of Windows 10?
On 12/10/2017 10:29 AM, Tim Rude
wrote:
I
agree that installing the 32-bit version of Windows 10 works
best for DOS apps like DP. However, I've not found that I
needed to do any cmos/bios tweaking.
A few things about 32-bit Windows 10:
(1) To go from 64-bit to 32-bit, you will have to completely
wipe the existing Windows installation and install 32-bit from
scratch.
(2) You can use the same exact Windows activation key for
either 64-bit or 32-bit. So if you computer has Windows 10
64-bit on it and you wipe it and install 32-bit on it, you
don't have to buy a new license. It will auto-activate.
(3) You're limited to how much RAM the computer can make use
of with 32-bit. There's no point in having more than 4GB of
RAM installed because 32-bit Windows won't touch more than
that. Depending on the RAM size of your video adapter, the
amount of usable RAM under 32-bit Windows may be only 3.3 -
3.5GB or even less.
I've also found that if you use DP in conjunction with DPSpool
using a batchfile or cmdfile that loads DPSpool, then runs DP,
then unloads DPSpool when DP exits, you have to use the CMD
legacy console. If not, NTVDM will crash. This isn't
specifically a DPSpool thing or a DP thing. I've found that if
you run any 32-bit app in a batchfile prior to running a
16-bit DOS app in the same batchfile, it makes NTVDM unhappy
when running under the new CMD console.
To change to the legacy console, you can either check the box
on the Options tab of your shortcut to your batchfile/cmdfile,
or simply open a CMD window, right-click on the icon in the
top-left of the titlebar, select Properties, and then select
the 'Use legacy console' box on the Options tab there. Once
you set that option, it applies to all CMD windows.
Tim Rude
On 12/10/2017 7:58 AM, Mark Nepon
wrote:
Hi All
Install windows 10
32 bit version. (you'll need to make some cmos/bios
changes)
Works as good as
XP opening similar cmd window you will be prompted to
install a program when trying to run dp the first time.
Do so.
I use both Linux
and WinXP as servers.
Both good but xp
can only handle about 10 computers.
ubuntu desktop
sharing drive c (which is a directory names C on root)
acts just like xp
but way more computers.
I was unable to
install old HP printers onto it so I also use xp server
for printing,
Best Regards, Mark
From: Dataperf
<[email protected]> on
behalf of Charles G. Wolf
<[email protected]>
Sent: December 10, 2017 7:29 AM
To: DataPerfect Users Discussion Group
Subject: [Dataperf] Your Experiences with DP
and Windows 10
Hi Everybody,
What have you experienced using DataPerfect with
Windows 10 on a PC? I'm still using Windows XP
Professional due to three irreplaceable, mission
critical DOS programs, DP being one of them.
However, I must upgrade, so I will be grateful for
any observations, tips, or watch-out-fors that you
can share.
Thanks!
Charlie Wolf
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