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On Jan 22, 2018 4:03 AM, "Matthew Phillips" <ma...@cpan.org> wrote:

> Matt,
> Thanks for chiming in. Since the voting period is over, it looks like the
> proposal has passed. Since Frew has firstcome, I believe the next steps are
> his.
>
> Cheers
>
> On Sun, Jan 21, 2018 at 12:35 PM, Matt S Trout <m...@shadowcat.co.uk>
> wrote:
>
>> This doesn't appear to have fully displayed in the web archives so I'm
>> replying-to-self with the full text quoted in the hopes that works to give
>> people something they can link to.
>>
>> On Sun, Jan 21, 2018 at 05:31:56PM +0000, Matt S Trout wrote:
>> > A little late to the party, but I needed to get my thoughts straight.
>> >
>> > I originally intervened because the plan as I then understood it was
>> "end
>> > DBIC feature development and transfer ownership to an unknown CPAN
>> author who
>> > wasn't one of the main contributors so far as I could tell" (though of
>> course
>> > I couldn't be sure because I didn't know - and still don't - who it was
>> > intended to be).
>> >
>> > From my point of view "end feature development" is effectively
>> equivalent to
>> > "declare project over" (and that seems to be a relatively common POV,
>> as the
>> > responses to a certain recent perl.com article have made quite
>> visible), and
>> > I felt that the community should have some input into so momentous and
>> > potentially irrevocable a decision.
>> >
>> > The eventual end result of the debate on the list seemed to indicate
>> that
>> > continuing to move forward - albeit extremely carefully, as befits an
>> > infrastructure level project - was the general consensus, but the sheer
>> > vitriol level of the discussion left me substantially burned out in
>> terms
>> > of the project.
>> >
>> > I was *expecting* that one or both of "mst recovers from burnout wrt
>> DBIC" or
>> > "community engages and starts making proposals" would happen within a
>> few
>> > months; neither did, and it's now a little over a year on and I still
>> haven't
>> > been able to muster the time and motivation to get things moving
>> forwards
>> > again. I was, admittedly, hoping to do that shortly, but given I've
>> been in
>> > a mental state of "hoping to do that shortly" for about the past year I
>> don't
>> > think it's reasonable or fair to ask people to rely on it coming true
>> *this*
>> > time, especially given I don't think I can honestly claim that *I'm*
>> convinced
>> > I'm not still deluding myself in that regard.
>> >
>> > So at this point, the decision under discussion is basically "retain the
>> > status quo, with the attached risk of de-facto death by good intentions
>> that
>> > never go anywhere" versus "give the project to the only person other
>> than me
>> > with a truly in-depth understanding of the architecture who's also the
>> only
>> > person other than me to have led the project, who's now indicated that
>> he is
>> > once again willing to do so".
>> >
>> > I think under the circumstances it's pretty clear which of these options
>> > gives DBIC the better odds and best opportunity for ongoing success.
>> >
>> > As such:
>> >
>> > +1
>> >
>> >  -- mst, out.
>> >
>> > --
>> > If you truly love something, set it free.
>> >
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>>
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