I’ll now be silent the list maintainer says if I discuss apartheid or any further criticism of Israel that myself and anyone else critical will be banned from Debian mailing lists.
So much for the social contract and so much for anti-fascism. It’s a very sad day for the Debian project it’s shutting down speech and violating its own social contract. On Thu, Mar 21, 2019 at 11:07 AM, Avi <fiendi...@gmail.com> wrote: >> Respectfully speaking, being vocal against apartheid and international >> crimes is the opposite of hate speech. > > That is completely true. And yet alongside the statements that reasonably > match your description, a whole other set of statements equating Israeli > citizenship with being Nazi collaborators, as Nasir has now done, is in my > book a very inappropriate turn. Further ranting about "right to exist" is > both ahistorical, as if any nation-state ever exists by rights, and > secondarily reveals a particular worldview which appears to violate both the > Debian code of conduct on being respectful and the Debian mailing lists code > of conduct on flaming. > > I maintain that this is not an appropriate venue for what seemingly started > with some valid concerns about inclusion but is clearly now a flame war. For > my part I will now filter this thread into the trash so that I'm no longer > tempted to add to it. > > On Thu, Mar 21, 2019, 1:22 PM Ghassan_Kanafani > <ghassan_kanaf...@protonmail.com> wrote: > >> Roger, >> >> Respectfully speaking, being vocal against apartheid and international >> crimes is the opposite of hate speech. Furthermore, I think bringing up >> other countries is off-topic. >> >> As Avi correctly mentioned before, >> >>> I think we can safely agree that past actions are not the same as ongoing >>> actions. The objections raised include ongoing actions, not just past ones. >> >> There is an active international boycott campaign against Israel with the >> goal to change the apartheid policies. >> https://bdsmovement.net/cultural-boycott >> >> Absolutely other areas in the world have similar issues, but that is outside >> the scope here considering the ongoing violence and active campaign, and I >> would hope we don't use other conflicts to be dismissive of this one. >> >> I would also humbly encourage my european friends here to inform themselves >> of the situation (if they haven't already), considering that many european >> countries are responsible for starting and supporting the ongoing conflict. >> >> Sent with ProtonMail Secure Email. >> >> ‐‐‐‐‐‐‐ Original Message ‐‐‐‐‐‐‐ >> On Thursday, March 21, 2019 1:13 PM, Roger Shimizu <rogershim...@gmail.com> >> wrote: >> >>> On Fri, Mar 22, 2019 at 1:59 AM Nasir El-Amin >>> nasir_ela...@protonmail.com wrote: >>> >>> > Here one Palestinian user of Debian points out he would be excluded: >>> > https://www.reddit.com/r/linux/comments/b3cen2/debconf20_to_be_hosted_in_haifa_israel/eiyxby6/ >>> > How about we agree that Debconf never take place in a country that would >>> > exclude someone based on their religion or national origin as a firm >>> > policy? I’d also be advocating against a Debconf in Saudi Arabia because >>> > they exclude Israelis. >>> >>> I'm sorry you didn't say so when we had debconf in Taiwan, where ever >>> occupied by Spanish, Nederlanders, Japanese, and Chinese. >>> That didn't prevent a success conference. >>> >>> We had fun in Taiwan. And I hope we have fun in Israel, too. >>> Please stop hate speech. >>> >>> Cheers, >>> >>> ---------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- >>> >>> Roger Shimizu, GMT +9 Tokyo >>> PGP/GPG: 4096R/6C6ACD6417B3ACB1
