> Respectfully speaking, being vocal against apartheid and international crimes is the opposite of hate speech.
That is completely true. And yet alongside the statements that reasonably match your description, a whole other set of statements equating Israeli citizenship with being Nazi collaborators, as Nasir has now done, is in my book a very inappropriate turn. Further ranting about "right to exist" is both ahistorical, as if any nation-state ever exists by rights, and secondarily reveals a particular worldview which appears to violate both the Debian code of conduct on being respectful and the Debian mailing lists code of conduct on flaming. I maintain that this is not an appropriate venue for what seemingly started with some valid concerns about inclusion but is clearly now a flame war. For my part I will now filter this thread into the trash so that I'm no longer tempted to add to it. On Thu, Mar 21, 2019, 1:22 PM Ghassan_Kanafani < [email protected]> wrote: > Roger, > > Respectfully speaking, being vocal against apartheid and international > crimes is the opposite of hate speech. Furthermore, I think bringing up > other countries is off-topic. > > As Avi correctly mentioned before, > > > I think we can safely agree that past actions are not the same as > ongoing actions. The objections raised include ongoing actions, not just > past ones. > > There is an active international boycott campaign against Israel with the > goal to change the apartheid policies. > https://bdsmovement.net/cultural-boycott > > Absolutely other areas in the world have similar issues, but that is > outside the scope here considering the ongoing violence and active > campaign, and I would hope we don't use other conflicts to be dismissive of > this one. > > I would also humbly encourage my european friends here to inform > themselves of the situation (if they haven't already), considering that > many european countries are responsible for starting and supporting the > ongoing conflict. > > Sent with ProtonMail Secure Email. > > ‐‐‐‐‐‐‐ Original Message ‐‐‐‐‐‐‐ > On Thursday, March 21, 2019 1:13 PM, Roger Shimizu <[email protected]> > wrote: > > > On Fri, Mar 22, 2019 at 1:59 AM Nasir El-Amin > > [email protected] wrote: > > > > > Here one Palestinian user of Debian points out he would be excluded: > https://www.reddit.com/r/linux/comments/b3cen2/debconf20_to_be_hosted_in_haifa_israel/eiyxby6/ > > > How about we agree that Debconf never take place in a country that > would exclude someone based on their religion or national origin as a firm > policy? I’d also be advocating against a Debconf in Saudi Arabia because > they exclude Israelis. > > > > I'm sorry you didn't say so when we had debconf in Taiwan, where ever > > occupied by Spanish, Nederlanders, Japanese, and Chinese. > > That didn't prevent a success conference. > > > > We had fun in Taiwan. And I hope we have fun in Israel, too. > > Please stop hate speech. > > > > Cheers, > > > > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- > > > > Roger Shimizu, GMT +9 Tokyo > > PGP/GPG: 4096R/6C6ACD6417B3ACB1 > > >
