I think this is a very good point. I fully expect that if I were to travel to Israel from Ireland I may face a 14-day quarantine on arrival, and then face another 14-day quarantine on return.
There are only so many 14-day quarantines I can deal with in one year, so I won't go to Israel, as tempting as the flight prices apparently are right now - and as flexible as my working arrangements have curiously turned out to be for the remainder of the year. Cheers, Andrew. On Fri, 2020-05-22 at 10:35 -0400, Jon "maddog" Hall wrote: > Hello, > > One thing I have not seen discussed is the issue of quarantine after > the travel arrives, both coming and going. > > In one country I have seen they test you on arrival, have you answer > questions, test you for the virus, then take you to a hotel room with > an ankle bracelet. After twenty-four hours in the room you are told > by phone if you tested positive for the virus or not. If you did not > test positive you are allowed to go somewhere else for a 14-day > quarantine. The country paid for the 24-hour quarantine, but it was > unclear who paid for the 14 day isolation. > > On the way back similar might happen, depending on your country. If > it is similar than the two week Deb* effectively turns into a six week > Deb*. > > We do not know what will happen, but I do believe that it is way more > likely for the virus to "spike" in the next few months as it is to go > away.....countries may change their immigration procedures. Airlines > may change their policies on delayed or changed flights (or perhaps go > out of business). > > A second point is that people going to Deb* may want to see something > of the country. I have been to Israel and Palestine several times, to > Haifa, Tel Aviv, Jerusalem, Bethlehem and other places. It is a great > place to go. Perhaps Israel will allow people to travel around inside > the country at this time, but again it is "iffy", and I almost > guarantee it will not be as easy or fun as it would be if the virus > was under control. > > If the conference is moved to 2021...shifted...then perhaps there will > be a vaccine or a treatment developed in the next year and most of > this would go away. Certainly we would know a lot more about it by > this time in 2021. > > My suggestion would be to decide at this time to shift the conference > to 2021, and use all efforts to make a virtual conference this year > the best it can be. Because the conference this year would be virtual > it does not necessarily have to be in August and you can take your > time to make sure the mechanisms are set up to not only have a great > virtual conference, but one that has ongoing impact. > > You could also have micro-conferences with the virtual conference as a > hub generating the materials for viewing. > > Finally, for full disclosure I will mention that part of this is > selfish. I have a lot of friends in Israel (and even in Haifa) that > I was looking forward to seeing for the first time in 15 years. Since > (due to the risk group that I am in) I would not be able to safely (of > course there is always risk in doing anything, always) travel to > Israel this year I would not see them. Assuming either a vaccine or > very effective and available testing it would be much less risky to > travel in 2021. > > In the end it is your conference. I just wanted to share my thoughts. > > Warmest regards, > > maddog > > P.S. I wrote to the management of Campus Party Amazonia on February 17th > warning them of the virus since they were planning a 4000 person, week-long > conference starting March 27th. On that day Brazil had its first confirmed > case of the virus in Sao Paulo. > On March 2nd they wrote back and said they were "watching it". That day the > second case was confirmed in Rio de Janeiro. > On March 17th they canceled the conference. There were 250 cases confirmed > in Brazil. > On March 27th there were thousands of cases, at least one thousand in the > city where the conference was to be held. > I like to think that I saved some lives with that email on February 17th. > > > > > > On Fri, May 22, 2020 at 9:20 AM Jana Pirat <[email protected]> wrote: > > Hallo, > > > > Am 22.05.20 um 14:02 schrieb Andreas Metzler: > > > As I said I am lacking a broad worldwide view. But if you asked me > > > whether there was any chance of having something like Debconf in > > > Austria/Germany/Switzerland sometime in July or August, I would answer > > > "No" with 99.9% confidence. > > > > travelling inside Europe should be possible this summer, the boarders > > are planed to be opened by 15 of June. > > Of course the situation can change anytime. > > In my opinion we should use all possibilities to live and be free as > > much it is possible and given to us. > > stay optimistic. > > freedom not fear :-) > > > > > > Best regards > > jana > > -- ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Dublin, Ireland +353 (87) 372 7098 Do nothing unless you must, and when you must act: hesitate. ----------------------------------------------------------------------
