On Thu, Oct 02, 2003 at 12:33:53AM -0800, Ethan Benson wrote: > On Thu, Oct 02, 2003 at 10:19:58AM +0200, Sven Luther wrote: > > > a .coff kernel won't autoboot, the user would have to manually get > > > into OpenFirmware and boot it explicity. > > > > Ok, the .coff is for manual installation using the OF. > > yes which is unprecedented for oldworlds.
Huh ??? > > > the current miboot boot floppies require the vmlinux binary, which may > > > be gzipped. > > > > Mmm, i am lost here, i own no powermac hardware of any kind (but would > > gladly accept donation of such to test the debian powerpc kernels on), > > and i thought that, until yaboot2 is working, you use yaboot on newworld > > powermacs, which don't support compressed kernels. > > currently oldworlds boot via a non-OF based bootloader called miboot, Ah, ok. > its a MacOSROM based bootloader (and thus as fundementally flawed as > BootX), its advantage is you can stick a miboot floppy in the drive > and it will boot, without hacking. the OF method will REQUIRE that > the user connect a serial terminal to access OpenFirmware. this may > well end up being what will have to happen in the long run anyway, > macos based booting is a can of worms that is likly to just go away. > > > I thought oldpmac hardware used quik, but there is also bootx and now > > miboot. So, when using quick, what is kernel that is needed ? > > miboot can only be used on floppies, for anything else proprietary > Apple disk code is required on the disk, cd whatever. > > quik is the only usuable option for disk booting. (until yaboot2, > which will happen in 2037 at the current rate). I am currently doing kernel work, but i plan to look at yaboot2/prom-libc after that, as i told you, altough i told you i would have time in september, which is obviously missing. But it will in any case be too late for the sarge release, so ... > BootX is a macos program and is thus irrelevant to debian. Not so, it could be used to boot the initial installation disk, could it not ? You create a bootx directory or image or whatever, and then start that, which will follow up to install debian and quik or whatever. Does BootX also work on newworld ? > > If i look at the kernel's arch/ppc/boot/images, i get : > > > > 1602678 miboot.image > > 2291148 vmlinux.coff > > 2360440 vmlinux.elf-pmac > > 1602433 vmlinux.gz > > 2360304 zImage.chrp > > 2360304 zImage.chrp-rs6k > > 12 zImage.pmac -> vmlinux.coff > > 1655582 zImage.prep > > all irrelevant. look at vmlinux a the root of the source tree. All irrelevant to you maybe, but i need to build kernels for all architecture from a single kernel build on a single subarch (this being a CHRP based pegasos), so i need to look into this, or i will simply ship the chrp kernel, which will not work for other ppc subarches. > > (Notice, these are not the kernel image, but my own build tree, so the > > sizes are bigger). > > > > So, i thought we had kernels for chrp, prep and chrp-rs6k, the > > uncompressed elf-pmac for yaboot, and the .coff image. > > yaboot (and quik, and miboot) requires the vmlinux at the root of the > source tree. all that crap in arch/ppc is irrlevant and unusable for > bootloaders. But for miboot it can be compressed ? What about quick ? > > This leaves the miboot.image and the vmlinux.gz i don't know anything > > about. > > both wrong. What are these for then ? > > No oldpmac user does, that is, we have suppport for newworld, probably > > both chrp as well as prep, and pegasos. > > newworld support is very broken in d-i from my last look at the > retarded mess that is yaboot-installer. whoever got ahold of that has > obviously NEVER read one line of yaboot documentation, nor ever looked > at the yaboot package. Hey come on, insulting people is not a good way of going forward, and in general gives other a bad opinion of you. And it seems that work about yaboot-installer was done at Oldenburg, and it is supposed to be fixed now. I have seen d-i boot on newpmacs and pegasos, and will try out apus nextly. > > So, most probably d-i for sarge will support those arches or subarches > > for people who care about it. > > thats generally how debian works, only things people care about are supported. Well, not really, i only care about chrp/pegasos kernels myself, but i support pmac kernels in the kernel-images, and hope to support all powerpc subarches nextly. The most funny was the guy telling us to use yaboot2 and that d-i was just crap. Friendly, Sven Luther -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
