On Thu, Oct 02, 2003 at 01:40:11AM -0800, Ethan Benson wrote: > On Thu, Oct 02, 2003 at 10:49:16AM +0200, Sven Luther wrote: > > On Thu, Oct 02, 2003 at 12:33:53AM -0800, Ethan Benson wrote: > > > On Thu, Oct 02, 2003 at 10:19:58AM +0200, Sven Luther wrote: > > > > > a .coff kernel won't autoboot, the user would have to manually get > > > > > into OpenFirmware and boot it explicity. > > > > > > > > Ok, the .coff is for manual installation using the OF. > > > > > > yes which is unprecedented for oldworlds. > > > > Huh ??? > > nobody boots the installer via OF on oldworlds, never have. > > OF isn't used for booting until the base system is installed on the > disk and quik installed.
A, ok. > > > BootX is a macos program and is thus irrelevant to debian. > > > > Not so, it could be used to boot the initial installation disk, could it > > not ? You create a bootx directory or image or whatever, and then start > > that, which will follow up to install debian and quik or whatever. > > debian mandates no reliance on non-free software, macos is very > non-free. and in fact most oldworld people i encounter on irc do NOT > have any macos available when starting the install process. thus > depending on bootx would be very foolish. But using it if its available would be a solution. > > Does BootX also work on newworld ? > > absolutly not. Ok. > > > all irrelevant. look at vmlinux a the root of the source tree. > > > > All irrelevant to you maybe, but i need to build kernels for all > > architecture from a single kernel build on a single subarch (this being > > a CHRP based pegasos), so i need to look into this, or i will simply > > ship the chrp kernel, which will not work for other ppc subarches. > > give up on the idea of a master kernel that works on more then one > powerpc, its not gunna happen. Currently, the oldpamc, newpmac, chrp, chrp-rs6k, prep kernels are all built from the same source, and with the same configuration file. Furthermore, they use the same build target (zImage), at least as far as kernel-package is concerned, and i suppose it works for most people, since nobody complained. So this is already happening. > as for arch/ppc none of that works with any powerpc bootloader. > yaboot2 might accept some of them, MIGHT. but for now, ONLY the > vmlinux at the root of the tree if of any use. Well, but right now, yaboot2 is very far from a usable state, so we don't care for the sarge release, or did it change recently ? > > > yaboot (and quik, and miboot) requires the vmlinux at the root of the > > > source tree. all that crap in arch/ppc is irrlevant and unusable for > > > bootloaders. > > > > But for miboot it can be compressed ? What about quick ? > > miboot is the only loader that supports gzip. yaboot2 will support > gzip too. Ok. > > > > This leaves the miboot.image and the vmlinux.gz i don't know anything > > > > about. > > > > > > both wrong. > > > > What are these for then ? > > who knows, they are probably cruft. You don't know, i will probably look at this myself, or wait for explanation of more knowledgeable people. > > > retarded mess that is yaboot-installer. whoever got ahold of that has > > > obviously NEVER read one line of yaboot documentation, nor ever looked > > > at the yaboot package. > > > > Hey come on, insulting people is not a good way of going forward, and in > > general gives other a bad opinion of you. And it seems that work about > > im not insulting anyone, im stating FACTS. Sure, but they are more or less insulting ways of saying it, please stay polite. > facts such as: > > 1) ybin is in /usr/sbin, not /sbin (and won't be until 2.0) > 2) for first yaboot install you *MUST* run mkofboot NOT ybin. > 3) the bootstrap partition does NOT need HFS for mkofboot to work. > > all of this is VERY well documented. and the first version of > yaboot-installer created by Colin Walters did not have any of these > problems, someone took it over after Colin abandoned the powerpc > platform and proceeded to break it in numerous ways. > > in any event i already provide all the tool debian needs, they should > just run yabootconfig and things will just work. thats how woody is done. Sure sure ... Friendly, Sven Luther -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
