Hello John, On Mon, Oct 19, 2026 at 10:36:51AM +0200, John Paul Adrian Glaubitz wrote: > On Mon, 2026-10-19 at 08:21 +0000, Helge Kreutzmann wrote: > > Hello John, > > On Mon, Oct 19, 2026 at 08:23:43AM +0200, John Paul Adrian Glaubitz wrote: > > > On Fri, 2024-05-31 at 16:23 +0000, Helge Kreutzmann wrote: > > > > Ausweisapp is mostly for German speaking users. > > > > > > That's not quite accurate. Even foreigners can use it when they get an > > > eID [1] which they can apply for when they have a residence permit. You > > > can be a user of this app without speaking German. > > > > Yes, but I'm rather confiden that this is a minority. > > Basically every foreigner living in Germany is eligible for using an eID, > so about 15 million people. I wouldn't call them a minority. > > The idea of the eID is to enable citizens in Germany deal with authorities > online instead of having to go to a local government office. Hence, the eID > and AusweisApp is useful to everyone living in Germany, not just Germans.
I'm no intending to argue about this.
> > > > It contains a man page, but this man page is provided in English only.
> > >
> > > The manpage was contributed by a Debian Developer which probably explains
> > > this.
> >
> > Yes, this was not meant as an offence, on the contrary, I quite
> > appreciate the existance of the man page.
> >
> > > > However, translated man pages are provided in manpages-l10n.
> > > > Especially the German translation would be helpful for this package,
> > > > hence I propose to "suggest" it.
> > >
> > > Since I assume you have provided that manpage, have you considered sending
> > > it upstream? They are usually very happy to take patches.
> >
> > Well, do you really think it is a good idea? Especially since …
>
> Let's see what Andre Klitzing (CC'ed) says. He is one of the upstream
> developers.
Fine with me.
But since you are (rightfully) concerned about further translations, I
simply question if this would be the right place, although in the
general case I completely agree.
> > > > (Currently, there is also a Romanian and Danish translation available,
> > > > but I doubt there are very relevan for Ausweisapp users)
> > >
> > > Again, it's a common misconception that AusweisApp is exclusive to Germans
> > > with a personal ID. Foreigners can use it with an eID which is why the app
> > > itself is also translated into different languages.
> >
> > … you state that further translations are sensible.
> >
> > In this case, upstream would need to maintain the translation
> > infrastructure (po4a) but also attract and maintain the translators.
> > And I've strong reasons to believe this won't be the focus of their work.
>
> Well, the app itself is officially provided in several languages, so I'm
> not seeing why they also shouldn't maintain manpages in these languages
> if the community provided the,.
I wasn't aware that AusweisApp2 was localized beyond English and
German, so if there are active teams handling more languages and which
are willing to maintain the man page translations as well, then I'll
gladly transfer the translations there and arrange with you the
appropriate package relations; I've done this numerous times in the
past already.
> > Thus, especially for such a leaf package like AusweisApp2 it is
> > sensible to maintain it in the manpage-l10n pool and suggest the
> > manpages-de package so the translation becomes available.
>
> Technically, it's a leaf package but that doesn't mean it's not important.
>
> It's the official package you need for electronic government services
> in Germany. So, it's not really irrelevant.
My argument is not about relevance, it is about the size of the
project. If you are KDE, gnome, libreoffice or GNU, you usually have a
large translation community around you. That was what I wanted to
adress.
> > In the end, this is a wishlist bug for a "Suggest: manpages-de".
>
> Sure, but I always prefer sending improvements upstream so that all
> distributions can profit from them rather then confining them to
> Debian.
It is upstream (manpages-l10n) already, so all distributions using
translated man page from us already benefit from this translation.
Hence this discussion only centeres if it should be hosted at
AusweisApp2 (upstream) or manpages-l10n (upstream). I never asked you
to ship the translations only at Debian level.
Geetings
Helge
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