On Tue, Dec 13, 2011 at 04:51:24PM +0100, Bernd Zeimetz wrote: > I hope we do not need to discuss the need for a private listmaster > alias. People who want to discuss their privacy issues or other troubles > with lists don't want to do that in public for sure. And we have similar > mail aliases where private, personal or security related information is > discussed - this should not be public - in the worst case to save the > health of our DDs or debian.org infrastructure. That is not comparable > with discussions of companies about Debian related things.
No, we don't want to discuss the need for ome private aliases, we want to discuss why companies cannot have any privacy issues. Just imagine a company learning about a big potential migration towards Debian in an enterprise environment and wanting to discuss with others how they can help to get the deal. Do you think anyone would do this in public? > I doubt DSA and the listmasters will sign NDAs - and they are able to > read the mails in any case. And if they would break law by posting such Wait a moment, do you tell me that listmasters and DSAs read my emails? If that's the case we, as in Debian, have a *huge* problem. Besides how can I stress the *might* in my sentence that you seem to quote partly enough so you read it? > mails, I don't want debian to be involved in that for sure - at least > not until a lawyer ensures that posting to a private debian.org list > does not equal a public posting. Sorry, don't get this piece. > Don't understand me wrong, I appreciate efforts from all companies > towards Debian - I'd even ensure that somebody from the company I work > for wants to participate, but I do not believe that Debian should > provide the infrastructure for *private* discussions. I'm spending a lot > of time for Debian because exactly that does not happen (yes, I know > there are a few rare exceptions from that rule, see above) - otherwise I > could work on Ubuntu or Fedora or CentOS or some other > more-or-less-company-backed distribution. I don't think we're talking about creating a company-backed distribution or some sort of that. We're trying to tackle the problem that Debian is not well enough accepted by enterprise users to be deployed in their data centers. The list is not about the companies changing stuff in Debian, it's more about somehow forming a business community around Debian. > I think an (involved) company's mail server would be much more suited > for such a list, might be even under a debian.net domain. Then you can > all happily sign NDAs without creating any trouble for the project and > when the discussions have a happy end, you could still move to a > debian.org list or just discuss it on -project, where such things belong > to at the end. What shall these discussions have to do with -project? Michael -- Michael Meskes Michael at Fam-Meskes dot De, Michael at Meskes dot (De|Com|Net|Org) Michael at BorussiaFan dot De, Meskes at (Debian|Postgresql) dot Org Jabber: michael.meskes at googlemail dot com VfL Borussia! Força Barça! Go SF 49ers! Use Debian GNU/Linux, PostgreSQL -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-bugs-dist-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org
