Hi, On Thu, 2024-11-07 at 15:46 +0000, Matthew Vernon wrote: > Hi, > > On 07/11/2024 10:03, Helmut Grohne wrote: > > > Indeed, we can lift Bastian's mail into a proper proposal. Logging > > services are generally assumed to be available. It becomes the > > responsibility of the init system or container runtime. The > > system-log-daemon virtual package mainly serves as an exclusion > > mechanism. Alternative init systems such as sysvinit-core should > > issue a > > dependency or recommendation on it. >
Random packages not installing system facilities like system-wide log services was already suggested as a solution earlier: 1. What should decide whether system-wide logging facilities exist? Some central defaults or random packages (say foobard) shipping a daemon? 1a. If not random packages, should policy be updated to recommend packages not doing that? There was no explicit answer to either of these questions (not others) so far. (FWIW I consider a popcon=1 custom VPN protocol server package like the package this tech-ctte bug is about a "random package" in the context of question #1) > This seems like the wrong shape of solution to me; we've not > previously > assumed this,and I don't think the case for such a policy change has > yet been made. Could I ask why the ctte considers this the wrong solution? As it was suggested previously, I assume it was at least taken into consideration in discussions. Ansgar
