Dear Lucas, thank you for your mail to the list and thank you very much for your efforts at MiniDebConf as well as maintaining and sponsoring packages as a DD, and all the other things I am not aware of. We share a common goal and vision.
I am happy you and Athos want to contribute to Debian. My beef is that you need to do it the proper way (failure #1). And that you need to own up to and correct in a reasonable time frame mistakes you make (failure #2). I would not have made this public if you hadn't failed me the second time around as well, leaving me little time to push "RC bug" #876571 to bionic (yes, I do want that Recommends in there for that LTS). I cannot help but notice how much space you devote in your mail to "owning up to your mistakes" vs. going on the offense (saying my mail was noise (when it wasn't), reintroducing "bugs" (that are arguable even though they are technically RC), etc.). You complain that I put Athos' and your name in the subject of my mail to the list and that this made you very upset. I am truly sorry about hurting your feelings, this was certainly not my intention. I will own up to this mistake of mine, I was simply unaware of this interpretation. If that really makes me instantly lose my argument as Holger put it then I would have to say what a sorry discussion culture that is, though. Etiquette is important but so is intention and in the end, the substance still matters most in my opinion. You complain that I make you look like the "bad guys", you blame me for scaring off a newcomer. I am not attacking your character, I am clear and bluntly complaining about *your actions* and since they were your actions I certainly felt that after the second failure those actions needed to made publicly known, not least to prevent a repeat. I very much hope you and Athos continue to contribute to Debian and gjots2 if you so chose. My request is simply that you do it the right way and respect other people's work. You try to brush this off as a problem of "miscommunication". As if you had been trying to but failing to reach me, as if there had been a misunderstanding, a potential language barrier or some such prior to your upload. Let me be crystal clear, that is absolutely not the case. This was a case of NON-communication on your and Athos part. It's sad to see you try to cover it up that way even now. I really can't agree with Ian that yours was a "grown-up" response. For you being the self-admitted main agressor, I feel there's an awful lot of blame coming from your corner. Now, let me ponder on what I can do better... Regards Rolf
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