Noen spÃrsmÃl (pà norsk): Som jeg forstÃr er kjernen i denne diskusjonen en kontrakt mellom SLX D.L. (for "oppstartshjelp" og tredjelinje support) og firma X (som kompetanseleverandÃr mot sluttkunde).
Skal SLX D.L. tilby (i dette tilfellet selge) slike tjenester? Burde ikke det vÃrt overlatt til rent kommersielle foretak? (Linuxlabs, FAJ m.fl. er da i stand til à levere slik support...) Dersom SLX D.L. skal selge slike tjenester (dvs operere som kommersiell tjenesteleverandÃr), burde ikke da alle avtaler baseres pà Ãpne, ufravikelige standard-kontrakter (level playing ground)? Personlig tror jeg ikke det er sunt om SLX D.L. opererer som kommersiell tjenesteleverandÃr, hvor de nÃdvendigvis vil komme i konkurranse med andre som leverer slike tjenester (LL, FAJ, m.fl) og samtidig bidrar sterkt til prosjektet. Jeg ser en stor fare for at SLX D.L. skyter seg selv i foten her. Men det er min mening... Hva er/blir SLX D.L. politikk pà dette omrÃdet? -- Morten Ingebrigtsen <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Skolelinux On Wed, 2004-07-28 at 15:44, Knut Yrvin wrote: > onsdag 28. juli 2004, 14:10, skrev Markus Gamenius: > > I'm also stressing You to tell as much as possible as soon as possible > > about what this deal is all about. What are they going to do? What shall > > SLX-Debian-Labs do? What do SLX-Debian-Labs and Skolelinux get in > > return? > > Thats why I tried to draw attention to what we was doing in the e-mail 15:25 > Tuesday July 27th 2004. It's understandable that it's much to grasp in > documents that summaries what has happened the last two years. Anyway, it's > heavily documented, and everything is posted on the e-mail-lists, and is in > CVS. I am glad to quote this again: > > <quotation> > > This three minutes and reports shows the process and the aspirations: > > > http://developer.skolelinux.no/info/prosjektet/referater/ref_ufd_20021115.txt > http://developer.skolelinux.no/info/prosjektet/referater/troverdig_org.txt > http://www.norden.org/nr/2-6-5-rek/sk/2004/Fre_02_2004.pdf > > Currently we are helping a national service provider to deploy a > centralised day-to-day operation centre with Skolelinux. We do this in > accordance with the plan of action for 2004 that accompanies The > Program for Digital Competence 2004-2008 from The Ministry of Education > and Research. The plans with this has been announced and worked on > since the autumn 2002, after request from the people in the department, > or the politicians in Oslo: > > > http://developer.skolelinux.no/info/prosjektet/referater/ref_ufd_20021115.txt > http://developer.skolelinux.no/driftskonsepter/detaljertsoeknad.html > http://developer.skolelinux.no/driftskonsepter/utsikt.html > http://developer.skolelinux.no/driftskonsepter/soeknad-UFD-endelig.sxw > > </quotation> > > In other words, we have told a lot of people and institutions about our > goals and plans - often from direct questions from different organisations. > The origin of the plans are heavily documented. The best of the competitors > it was commented in the negotiations with representatives of 530 > municipalities and public offices. Even the contract proposals has been > committed to CVS. > > In negotiating with the municipalities their legal advisor told us to stop > that practice because it is not allowed. Also a short memo and minutes are > committed to CVS after such meetings - if suchlike things are not prevented > by the form of the meeting. We ask the people we talk to in which form we > can document what we are talking about, because we does most of our ting > the free software way, so that we don't does any problems later in the > process. > > * Some uses the possibilities, others don't > > Some companies has found out that they should contact SLX Debian Labs to get > help with realization of their plans. We invite them to study whats already > documented, and we give them our best advice. Somebody uses the advice they > like and throw away what they don't want to use. Others say theire not > interested because they has other ranking of priorities. > > In the hardware vendor marked I have given this offer equally to all the > companies that sells hardware. There was two companies that really jumped > into this offer. One of them was In/Out that also got the national > agreement with Directorate for Primary and Secondary Education for selling > newer reused computers to the schools. They say that the Skolelinux effort > was the engagement that tipped the agreement in their direction. > > The CIO in on of the other hardware companies told me to take a holiday > after he showed me of his recently acquisition of a new Mercedes. It's more > intersting for me personally to help people who ask for help with schools > deploying Skolelinux instead of listening to people that have bought > themself a new Mercedes, and recommend the projectmanager in Skolelinux to > take ha vacation :-). > > Sincerely > > Knut Yrvin > -- > Prosjektleder Skolelinux / teknisk veileder for norsk OpenOffice > Kontor: IT-staben i Akershus fylkeskommune, Schweigaards gate 4, > 0185 Oslo -- E-post: [EMAIL PROTECTED], Mob: 90895765
