Just to be clear: I'm not sure exactly how or where PHPNuke outputs the given text. If it's part of output templates, then it doesn't seem to be a problem. My problem is if PHPNuke is claiming that I have to maintain the GPL blurb even if I redesign its output (eg. rewrite templates); that PHPNuke must always output a GPL blurb.
That would be akin (in my mind) to Apache requiring the same thing [1], or perhaps even to Gimp requiring that GPL blurb be stamped on the output of its images. The person bound by the copyright--the site administrator or the artist--is the person that needs to be able to see the copyright information, not the third party receiving the output--the user on the Internet or the person viewing the art. I have no idea if there's an argument that a user on the Internet is in some way bound by the copyright of the programs used to generate the output of the links he's clicking (eg. Apache or PHPNuke). (I can't think of one, but IANAL.) (I'm certainly not arguing against giving credit, but I don't believe credit is the purpose of the GPL blurb and no-warranty statement.) On Mon, Mar 03, 2003 at 06:06:58PM -0500, David Turner wrote: > A program in the middle of a pipeline never directly accepts input from > the user, nor does it output direcly to the user. > > How does this sound for an interpretation of interactive in shell > scripts: "A program is running interactively if stdin and stdout are > ttys." This should prevent most of the spam effect, right? I'm not arguing that a program in the middle of a user pipeline should be considered interactive; I just think that Branden's argument (which I can see as reasonable but am not quite decided on) is that it's in the same class as a program generating HTML output through a pipeline (eg. Apache)--they're equally interactive (or uninteractive). (Branden, am I still remotely close to your argument, or have I wandered?) (Incidentally, I've always thought of programs like "gdb" as being interactive, and programs like "df" and "cat"--including ones that happen to read data from stdin--as being uninteractive. I don't mind debating these interpretations of "interactive" here, but it's tangental to the PHPNuke discussion.) [1] if it were GPL, which it isn't. -- Glenn Maynard
