I am new to this list, I arrived here by being interested in the Debian Women 
Project, so please forgive me if I am jumping in where my opinion is not wanted 
and if I am too long winded.  I have been trying to follow the recent 
conversation regarding choice of venue (aka forum selection clause) and I have 
a few thoughts...

We all seem to know that with respect to jurisdiction there are three rungs one 
must successfully clime to get into a court:
1)      subject matter jurisdiction
2)      personal jurisdiction (in personum/in rem)
3)      venue (which really falls under Per Jur)

>From what I understand courts will uphold venue provisions in the absence of 
>unfairness under Carnival Cruise Lines, Inc, v. Shute (and other case law like 
>Neirbo, etc) 
1)      if the defendant has purposefully waived their personal privilege of 
venue by agreeing to the terms set forth by another party  
2)      if the defendant does not raise the question of venue before arguing 
the merits of the case 

`*(note courts understand that no “real bargaining” power exists for one party 
if the other states definite take-them-as-you-find-them-terms of use) 

So it might be reasonable to infer that forum selection with respect to patent, 
trademark, copyright claim cases would fall under FRCP 12 (b) (g) (h) and USC 
28 sec. 1391.  I am going to do some thinking on the “licensing” side of this 
as I am NOT certain if special licensing clauses exist with respect to 
particular venue clauses but I am willing to hedge that they do.  

I do know that in the “Oracle case” AC Controls Co. Inc. v. Pomeroy Computer 
Resources, Inc the  court noted that “Under 28 U.S.C. § 1406(a), ‘the presence 
of a forum selection clause does not, in and of itself, make venue [a venue 
other than the one in the agreement] improper.’”  

The court went on to note that, and here is the biggie folks,

“the presumption of [validity] that forum selection . . . provisions enjoy is 
not absolute, [rather such provisions] may be overcome by a clear showing that 
they are 'unreasonable under the circumstances.'" Allen, 94 F.3d at 928

The fourth Circuit in the above,  Allen, reasoned choice of venue "provisions 
may be found unreasonable if 
(1) their formation was induced by fraud or overreaching; 
(2) the complaining party 'will for all practical purposes be deprived of his 
day in court's because of the grave inconvenience or unfairness of the selected 
forum;
(3) the fundamental unfairness of the chosen law may deprive the plaintiff of a 
remedy; or 
(4) their enforcement would contravene a strong public policy of the forum 
state." 

The cites are as follows Allen, 94 F.3d at 928 (citing Carnival Cruise Lines, 
Inc. v. Shute, 499 U.S. 585, 595, 113 L. Ed. 2d 622, 111 S. Ct. 1522 (1991) and 
The Bremen, 407 U.S. at 12-13). 

There was also mention of Federal Rules applying when considering forum 
selection.  I believe it pertains to USC 28 where there are special rules that 
govern specialized cases like patent, trademark and copyright.  These special 
venue rules limit 'where' claims arising from these specialized subjects 
(patent/copyright etc.) can be brought.  

Rule patent infringement claims “may” be brought in districts where 
1)      the defendant has his/her residence OR where the acts of infringement 
occurred AND
2)      the defendant has an establish place of regularly conducted business
*(note residence does not always mean domicile)

I fully understand that “may” and “shall” are different terms however, and I 
will check on this, but I am pretty sure “may” in this instance is indicating 
“required.”  Again I need to confer with someone to see if licensing agreements 
fall outside of these specialized rules, but I don’t think they strictly do.  

In conclusion it seems that just because a venue/forum selection clause exists 
does not in-and-of-itself mean that it will hold up in court.  Because there 
are many other factors (like minimum contacts, Long-Arm Statutes, 
foreseeability, superseding legislative laws, service of process, precedent 
within the Federal circuit, etc) that are considered when deciding if venue 
(forum clause or no) is “fair and reasonable.”  

I welcome questions/rants etc.   

Jennifer 

Also, I must mention that I am in law school and as such I am obligated to 
place this disclaimer on anything I post regarding legal matters:

The information that I have presented here is not in any way intended to nor 
constitutes the practice of law or giving of legal advice, nor is it an 
offering of legal services, nor should the information presented here be relied 
on in any way. 
 

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