> >I'm thinking about them. Surely I can take a GPL > perl script and run it > >through a compiler, even the undump trick, and > distribute that compiled > >form, as long as I comply with the source supply > requirements of the GPL, > >can't I? > > Of course you can't. Because it is not human > readable. > But images/audios are always human readable in > various > formats. That's different. > > >Gimp can also save equivalent .xcf.bz2, which are > not > so large. Even if > >so, largeness of the source relative to the binary > isn't usually a major > >consideration for licenses themselves. It's a > practical use problem. > > Yes, it's a pratical use problem. Just because > images/audios are not as same > as programs. > Thay are not same. > >Yes, usually, maybe with a cookbook file or some > script-fu > >that does the transformation described, if they got > the > >source material under a Share-Alike licence. > >Please can someone tell me how to obtain the layers > again after they > >have been merged? > > >I can modify ELF binaries, but that doesn't make > them > source code. > > > > No, you can't ask everyone use script-fu. And you > can't ask everyone to use > gimp. > I don't mean the author of images don't want to open > source. They want to > open source. They use gimp xcf files and licensed > them > by CC. The problems > happens on how licensee do. If he just modified it > by > xpaint, he distributed > his modified content in PNG format is reasonable. > > Let me show an example. > Source: > http://www.flickr.com/photos/[EMAIL PROTECTED]/255396723/ > Modified: > http://www.flickr.com/photos/[EMAIL PROTECTED]/255399257/ > > You can see that I removed the words and changed the > color of eyes and hair. > To modify an image is not as hard as hex editing ELF > binaries. Because > images are readable in modifiable formats. But ELF > binaries are only > readable by machines. > This source is not licensed by CC. But let's assume > it > is CC and the > upstream put an xcf file. But I only have xpaint, so > xcf files is no > meaning. I must merge all layers and save it to jpg > to > edit it by xpaint. > And recoding what I do is no means either. I'm using > WACOM tablets and the > steps are not hard. Just use brushes and airbrushes > with some select > regions. And a cookbook is no meaning because it > won't > help me to > re-modified it in different way or help others to > modified it in different > way. Drawings are usually depends on the skill of > drawing, not digitalized > data of steps. > > >Most artists do not want to distribute their > sources? > So be it. > >Most programmers today seem not to distribute their > sources either. > >It is not a good argument for accepting binaries as > free software. > > It is because you define source as xcf files. Why > not > define it as any modifiable formats. Images are > always > human readable, the > remaining problem is it is modifiable or not. And > for > CC artists, they are > will to distribute their sources as xcf or psd > files, > the problem is at how > downstreaming users action. If he just modified it > and > saved it in png/jpg > formats and allows others to modify it, it is > reasonable. But if he modified > it and use TPM/DRM method to prevent other users > derived, it is not fair. So > that's why CC don't request source must be attached > but TPM must not be > allowed. > > And for audios, a DJ can mixed songs into an MP3. > And > he can provide > original source files WAV formats. But it's no > meaning > because he can mix > them by hardware machines. > For example, he just play 3 wavs on 3 computers's > speakers and recorded it > by mic. > > I must say that the programs are not equivalent to > images/audios. And you > should not define the source of images/audios too > easily. For example, if a > song is "free software" with GPL licensed, can you > easily change a word of > lyrics in wav easily? No because the source is the > singer's throat. So they > should licensed the singer's throat to GPL or it is > not free software? > > >
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