Terry Hancock <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > No, what I *said* is that "tools" are not "materials", which they are > not -- at least not unless you use them as such. If you build a house > out of hammers, *then* the hammers are "materials", otherwise, they are > "tools".
So, to be clear: you would claim that if one says 'this house is made using these materials' then the tools are not included in 'materials'? Would you expect an art *materials* catalogue to include easels, brushes, knives and other things used to make the art but not included in it? Here are the top three results of a web search for art materials: http://www.dickblick.com/ http://www.homecrafts.co.uk/html/categories.asp?cat1=3 http://www.artdiscount.co.uk/ > [...] foregone conclusion in a license text that definitions are > relative to the work being licensed! When a license says "derivative", > we all understand without being told that "derivative of the work being > licensed" is meant, and not "derivative of some other, unrelated work". I don't see the relevance of stating the obvious here. > Hence, when we say "materials", we mean "used AS materials", not "things > that could in principle be used as materials but were in fact used as > tools". But they are used as materials IMO. Returning to the house-building example, I don't see hammers as consumed entirely by my construction, so I wouldn't expect to see them on my bill of materials, but they are materials used in the construction, so I'd expect them to be available from a building materials supplier. [...] > The strawman you are attempting to bait me with [...] Please, get over this. I'm not baiting anyone with any scarecrow. I'm trying to understand how it is possible to claim that compilers don't fit the meaning of materials there - in fact, unlike most hammers, most compilers even leave part of themselves in the construction - and whether this is based on a misunderstanding like the one posted about copyleft and upstream contributions recently. Regards, -- MJR/slef My Opinion Only: see http://people.debian.org/~mjr/ Please follow http://www.uk.debian.org/MailingLists/#codeofconduct -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
