Hi, Am Tue, Apr 15, 2025 at 05:00:32AM -0400 schrieb Marcia Wilbur: > Hi. Thank you for that information. > > Andreas,
The debian-Legal list (in CC as I am) is probably more competent as an individual as well as Michael who has a lawyer background. IMHO the DFSG is sufficiently clear. If you want to derive anything please give exact exammples what you want to do. Kind regards Andreas. > I want to use The DSFG as a model for other distros and software. > > That being said, I am all about the freedom side so, if the packages in > stable Are all free anyways, it kind of makes it a moot point for me > because I will just use the Debian free software guidelines and Debian > stable myself, personally. > > That being said, since my software generates ISO’s and customizes distros, > (Many have been released into the wild 😜) there Is a need for me to offer > guidance and a model to those users creating and maintaining Debian based > distros. > > Of course, I went to Bruce first, see thread below. He recommended if there > were any modifications to dfsg, as a formality, to contact the Debian > project. > > I was forwarded your name as the person who may be able to Grant > permission as per the original release terms of the DFSG: To be used as a > model for other projects and distros where permission will be gladly > granted For such use. > > Are you the correct point person or point of contact with the ability to > grant permission to use DFSG As a model, as was the original intent of the > document? > > If you are, then I would like to request permission as per the original > release of the document, and I did my due diligence in contacting Bruce > first who said to contact you just as a formality. > > Else if you are not, and you know who that person or a point of contact is > Please let me know, and put me in the right direction. > > Thanks > > Marcia > > > > On Tue, Mar 25, 2025 at 4:57 AM Michael Stehmann <mich...@canzeley.de> > wrote: > > > Hi, > > > > IMO the person you have to ask is the Debian Project Lead. > > > > THe recent is: > > > > Andreas Tille <ti...@debian.org> > > > > Hope I could help you. > > > > Kind regards > > Michael > > > > > > Am 24.03.25 um 21:04 schrieb Marcia Wilbur: > > > Hi. So I had Contacted Bruce Perens because he was the original author of > > > both of those and as per his guidance, he said, as long as I’m just using > > > the original, I should cite it, which that’s fine. > > > > > > But if I wanted to modify it as a formality, I should contact the Debian > > > folks. > > > > > > The original document (Dfsg) announce states that it can be used as a > > model > > > for other distros and projects, and that “We will gladly grant permission > > > for any such us” Let me get you the full text Of that, announce below. > > > > > > *We hope that other software projects, > > > including other Linux distributions, will use this document as a model. > > > We will gladly grant permission for any such use.* > > > > > > So I asked Bruce… > > > Does this statement mean we can simply use the document as a model with > > no > > > further due diligence or explicit permissions? > > > > > > Since Bruce was the original Author, I reached out to him first, but he > > > said he has been outside Debian project a while: > > > > > > Bruce Perens: > > > If you're not going to modify it, I think you could just cite the > > document > > > at its current location. If you are, just for formality sake you should > > ask > > > the Debian folks. I've not been on that project for some years - just too > > > many things to do. > > > > > > Considering the text in the announcement, it seems that the original > > > document is an open one, but as a formality, I am letting you know I want > > > to modify just the name and waiting for that gladly granting of > > permissions > > > as per the original intent! > > > > > > :) > > > > > > > > > > > > On Mon, Mar 24, 2025 at 3:52 PM Michael Stehmann <mich...@canzeley.de> > > > wrote: > > > > > >> Hello, > > >> > > >> IMO there is a derived work of the DFSG: > > >> > > >> > > >> > > https://urldefense.com/v3/__https://opensource.org/osd__;!!IKRxdwAv5BmarQ!YBK4_x9ztccP0OAJPH1co8Ve89r4WSeMiqJjCzqxu1GTY6-xWm6egy9tx-70Ljcg2FyZrjaWSe7EdN6vx7FX_qQ$ > > >> > > >> See: > > >> > > >> > > https://urldefense.com/v3/__https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Open_Source_Initiative*History__;Iw!!IKRxdwAv5BmarQ!YBK4_x9ztccP0OAJPH1co8Ve89r4WSeMiqJjCzqxu1GTY6-xWm6egy9tx-70Ljcg2FyZrjaWSe7EdN6v0Ddq6cQ$ > > >> > > >> Disclaimer: I am not a member of the Debian Project but interested in > > >> Free Software Licences. > > >> > > >> Kind regards > > >> Michael > > >> > > >> Am 23.03.25 um 19:31 schrieb Francesco Poli: > > >>> On Sun, 23 Mar 2025 04:34:43 -0400 Marcia Wilbur wrote: > > >>> > > >>>> Hi. My name is Marcia Wilbur. > > >>> > > >>> Hello Marcia, > > >>> > > >>> [...] > > >>>> I would like to use the Debian Free Software Guidelines document as a > > >> model > > >>>> for my projects as well as promote DFSG or a derivative as a model for > > >>>> other projects. > > >>>> > > >>>> At this point in time, the only thing I would modify is the name. > > >>> > > >>> Disclaimer: I cannot speak for the Debian Project, since I have not > > >>> been delegated to do so; I am just a Debian contributor (a Debian > > >>> Maintainer, to be precise) who has been a regular on the debian-legal > > >>> mailing list for quite a long time. > > >>> > > >>> That said, my own personal opinion is that what you would like to do > > >>> should not be a problem, from a conceptual standpoint. > > >>> > > >>> The only trouble I see is that the document that includes the Debian > > >>> Social Contract and the Debian Free Software Guidelines still seems to > > >>> be under the non-free OPL license, as there is no evidence that it has > > >>> been re-licensed (yet)... > > >>> Please take a look at bug [#614497] for more detailed information about > > >>> this (long) story. > > >>> > > >>> [#614497]: < > > >> > > https://urldefense.com/v3/__https://bugs.debian.org/614497__;!!IKRxdwAv5BmarQ!YBK4_x9ztccP0OAJPH1co8Ve89r4WSeMiqJjCzqxu1GTY6-xWm6egy9tx-70Ljcg2FyZrjaWSe7EdN6vqCWeDEw$ > > >>> > > >>> > > >>> I admit that this looks like sad news, but... it is what it is... :-( > > >>> > > >> > > >> > > > > > > > -- https://fam-tille.de
