On 9/17/23 10:41, c.bu...@posteo.jp wrote:
Hello,
maybe it depends on my non-nativ English that I'm not able to make
myself clear.
On 2023-09-17 09:56 Mechtilde Stehmann <mechti...@debian.org> wrote:
What do you expect?
As I told. Information just in time. Within in a delay of 1 or 2 hours
the tracker/dashboard should inform about the new release.
hmm.
how is "1 or 2 hours" more *just in time* than "1 or 2 days"?
i get your point that you want the information fast, but it seems you
are just using some arbitrary constraint that fits your personal need.
it appears that for "most" Debian maintainers a lag of "1 or 2 days" is
just as well (i assume that it is indeed "most" maintainers, as I don't
see many complaints; for my *personal* workflow i'm very sure that I do
not care to be informed about whether a new release has been made
withing the last 2 hours, as I pretend that I like to let the dust
settle a bit before starting *my* work).
If this is not possible because of technical reasons (server load, etc)
then indicate exactly that with a timestamp to make the reader able to
validate the information in time.
i find the suggestion to add a timestamp on when a given piece of
information was updated last in the tracker very useful.
possibly as a mouse-over or somesuch, in order to not clutter the
already rather full page with even more information that is *usually*
not important at all.
What do you mean is unprofessional?
That the information the "Debian system" is out dated.
I personally feat at unease when people call other people
"unprofessional" like this.
such accusations just feel... unprofessional :-)
Try to step into the role of a (new) user or a possible contributor.
the tracker's audience is really Debian maintainers, not users.
i don't know what the average user expects, but I assume that they are
good enough with the information about what Debian actually *ships* (as
in: what is packaged; and more likely: what is packaged in Debian/stable
or even Debian/testing, and less so Debian/unstable) rather than whether
"Debian" has been made aware that there is a new release minutes after
it has been made available to the public.
as for Debian maintainers: if they need super-short notice of a new
package, then I do not see why they cannot track upstream themselves.
after all, d/watch files tend to be buggy as well and give false
information (or: upstream decided to switch to some new release scheme
which simply breaks the existing d/watch) making them only so useful.
in any case: why do *you* think it of utmost importance to be informed
of a new release on this very page?
Most of the maintainers are volunteers and work on packaging in their
free time.
Why do we have to increase the volume of the list with that topic? Can
we just discuss this on an issue tracker about the tracker? ;)
fair enough.
however, it seems i cannot find your bug report (i checked both the BTS
and your emails, but there is no indication of any existing bug report)
gcmas
IOhannes
