On Wed, Aug 18, 2021 at 09:12:24AM +0100, Tixy wrote: > On Wed, 2021-08-18 at 09:03 +0200, to...@tuxteam.de wrote: > > On Tue, Aug 17, 2021 at 10:01:32PM -0400, Greg Wooledge wrote: > > > On Tue, Aug 17, 2021 at 09:48:10PM -0400, Gene Heskett wrote: > > > > On Tuesday 17 August 2021 18:48:34 Andrew M.A. Cater wrote: > > > > > [an abridged version of the release notes] > > > > > > > Thank you Andy, thats more of the recipe I need to follow. > > > > > > > > Cheers, Gene Heskett > > > > > > See, *this* is exactly what I tried to avoid -- giving someone an > > > inferior version of the release notes, empowering their laziness, > > [...] > > > > Greg *was* trying to help Gene (and us) by getting him to read > documentation from the Debian project, rather than picking one of > several different 'easy' suggestions from this list. > > If you read the release notes you get a clue what to expect and what to > do. Or you can not bother and just rely on the helpful people on this > list. > > I know from my upgrade to Buster I had to take action due to AppArmor > and nftables now being default and ending up migrating from legacy > network names to new 'predictable' network names. Looking at the > release notes again, there's also changes to increase security with > sshd and OpenSSL, and with Systemd needing entropy at boot (Gene has > some ARM boards the latter may hit). > > Want to take bets that Gene won't be back in a few days with problems > caused by some of the above changes? He could save himself, and you, > time and hassle if he read the release notes. >
Yes, yes, and yes. Agreed that you should read the release notes. I tried to put more of it into one email with pointers to where the info was derived from so that it was in one place rather than five emails. A convenience factor - not detracting from anybody else's suggestions. Like all of us, Gene has his own ways of doing things, his own habits and his own ability to do things. That's a necessarily "different approach from the way I'd do it / different from my experience / abd I'm sure I could do it better myself" situation. That's OK - his systems, his problems to sort if stuff goes wrong - and yes, we could get into a to and fro of a longer thread - but if any one of the emails above sorts out how to do this with good will and good humour - it's a net win for all concerned. The list archives are searchable: Google will find stuff on keywords and the next person to look will find some element of step by step instructions. > -- > Tixy > All the best to all on the list, as ever, Andy Cater