On 16/02/24 at 17:44, Greg Wooledge wrote:
If my guess is correct, then I don't support the plan to modify the
Debian documentation to suggest that everyone log their dist-upgrades
in English "because if something goes wrong you will probably ask for
help from an English speaker". There are way too many layers of
assumptions there.
No it wasn't for this argument that I wrote:
"I think that a recorded session with the output of the commands in
English is better then a localized session for debugging purposes."
In the paragraph in question ¹ I read:
"It is strongly recommended that you use the /usr/bin/script program to
record a transcript of the upgrade session. Then if a problem occurs,
you will have a log of what happened, and if needed, can provide exact
information in a bug report. To start the recording, type:"
Therefore I ran "script" session to upgrade to stable 12.5, then I saw
that the output of "apt" was localized to my native language. So I
thought: How can I provide exact information in a bug report if I've
only localized messages?
For this reason I've asked for feedback here before to propose a change
to the syntax to the "script" command that IMHO it'd be:
# env LC_ALL=C.UTF-8 script -T ~/upgrade-bookwormstep.time -a
~/upgrade-bookwormstep.script
or at the place of LC_ALL to use instead LC_MESSAGES as Teemu wrote:
On 16/02/24 at 08:13, Teemu Likonen wrote:
To change programs' output messages to English LC_MESSAGES=C is often
enough. Sometimes LC_TIME and LC_NUMERIC are required too.
but it seems may have drawbacks if other variables are involved.
From the manual page of "script" command the -t option is deprecated in
favor of -T and the above command has the advantage to be executable in
all shells (thank to your feedback). A change is required however and
the command proposed seems to me an improvement.
On Fri, Feb 16, 2024 at 05:35:11PM +0100, Franco Martelli wrote:
however users that have set LC_ALL variable into .bashrc I suppose already
know what are they doing.
No. No, they do not. They may *think* they do. They do not.
Ahah OK they do not.
¹
https://www.debian.org/releases/stable/amd64/release-notes/ch-upgrading.en.html#record-session
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Franco Martelli
