Re: [[email protected]: Re: Debian 13 Trixie GUI desktop environments]

Sun, 14 Sep 2025 07:38:44 -0700 





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On Sunday, September 7th, 2025 at 2:19 AM, Lee <[email protected]> wrote:

> On Fri, Sep 5, 2025 at 7:38 AM Turritopsis Dohrnii Teo En Ming wrote:
> 
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> > On Wednesday, September 3rd, 2025 at 6:21 AM, Lee wrote:
> > 
> > > On Mon, Sep 1, 2025 at 7:41 PM David Wright wrote:
> > > 
> > > > My posts are being dropped between my hosting's smarthost and 
> > > > debian-user.
> > > 
> > > this one at least made it to my inbox
> > > 
> > > > ----- Forwarded message from David Wright [email protected] -----
> > > > 
> > > > Date: Sun, 31 Aug 2025 22:39:43 -0500
> > > > From: David Wright
> > > > Subject: Re: Debian 13 Trixie GUI desktop environments
> > > > Reply-To: [email protected]
> > > > 
> > > > On Sun 31 Aug 2025 at 17:08:47 (-0400), Lee wrote:
> > > > 
> > > > > On Sat, Aug 30, 2025 at 3:15 PM Andy Smith wrote:
> > > > > 
> > > > > > On Sat, Aug 30, 2025 at 04:24:59PM +0000, Turritopsis Dohrnii Teo 
> > > > > > En Ming wrote:
> > > > > > 
> > > > > > > You mean Debian doesn't inform you if your OS needs an update?
> > > > > > 
> > > > > > It is dependent on the desktop chosen. GNOME by default downloads
> > > > > > updates, and notifies you of them with a desktop notification.
> > > > > > 
> > > > > > The package "apticron" for email notifications has also existed in
> > > > > > Debian for a decade or more though people still seem to enjoy
> > > > > > reinventing it on their own.
> > > > > 
> > > > > Or perhaps it's that an email notification is useless for us and we
> > > > > want a notification that will actually be noticed.
> > > > 
> > > > In my case it's that I want the packages downloaded at the same time.
> > > > And I think I've been doing that for longer than apticron has been
> > > > around—I see in my sent-mail folder a 2003 post to a LUG, exhorting
> > > > someone to put:
> > > > apt-get -qq update && apt-get -dqq dist-upgrade && apt-get -sqq upgrade
> > > > into their crontab, or perhaps their /etc/ppp/ip-up.d/ (which seems
> > > > concordant with the age of the post).
> > > > 
> > > > Nowadays my root crontabs have:
> > > > apt-get -qq -o Acquire::http::Proxy="http://192.168.1.14:3142/"; update 
> > > > && apt-get -qq -d -o Acquire::http::Proxy="http://192.168.1.14:3142/"; 
> > > > dist-upgrade && find /var/cache/apt/archives/ -name '*deb'
> > > > I occasionally find it useful to take a look inside new packages'
> > > > /usr/share/doc/ files to see what's changed.
> > > 
> > > but doesn't dist-upgrade apply the updates?
> > > 
> > > I just want to be notified about any updates that are available. I
> > > don't want them being applied until after I review them.
> > 
> > Wouldn't it be very time consuming to review every single update before 
> > applying them?
> 
> 
> My "review" is very cursory - it's not like I'm reviewing source code
> changes. Mostly I wait a few days, looking for warning - for example:
> https://lists.debian.org/debian-devel/2025/09/msg00108.html
> 
> I'm coming from a cygwin + windows background where their track record
> of not breaking things with their updates is .. uhmm.. so much less
> than perfect that it's a really good idea to wait a bit before
> applying the latest updates.
> 
> Regards,
> Lee

Oh yes, Windows frequently break things with their updates.

Regards,

Mr. Turritopsis Dohrnii Teo En Ming
Targeted Individuals Singapore
























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