> > It might be a good idea.  Unfortunately, just like with the death of ORBS,
> > it's hard to say if it's going to come back or not (lots of rumors, and no
> > facts).
>
>Just out of curiosity..... why do these guys go under anyway.... no support?
>too expensive to run?

Your guess is as good as mine.  Some people will swear that their second 
cousin is a friend of a lawyer that knows the judge in New Zealand that 
supposedly shut down ORBS, others will swear that they received ESP 
messages from Alan that ran ORBS and that he was tired of dealing with the 
threats and complaints, others will say they know a banker who said ORBS 
needed more money.

My guess (which qualifies as the same rumor category as the rest) is that 
there was a lawsuit against ORBS (which does seem to be pretty much a 
fact), and that there was a temporary injunction to shut down ORBS.  I'm 
guessing that Alan was tired of it, and saw that as an opportunity to let 
go of ORBS.  But, this is just a guess, just like everything else I've 
seen/heard (despite the people who swear that their telephone physic is 
never wrong).

[Sorry about all this nonsense about the rumors; it's just that I tried 
finding out what really happened, and posted several places that there were 
just guesses and proof, and a number of people responded that they knew the 
truth, but it always turned out to be guesses and hunches and the like.]

>If they keep going out of business we won't have any lists to use huh?   :)

There are actually about twice as many now that ORBS went under (see 
http://www.declude.com/junkmail/support/ip4r.htm ).
                                          -Scott

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