Scott,

What changes are required on my end to start using dsbl. I hav e orbz in
there now

John


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Sent: Monday, March 25, 2002 9:44 AM
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Subject: RE: [Declude.JunkMail] orbz is now dsbl


>This has some merit but doesn't it now mean that to submit an offending
>server one must relay "spam" through that server. Simply put this moves
the
>legal weight on to those submitting the request.

Yes.  Now, the potential legal cost is borne by some of the people using

the system, rather than the system itself.

I think the idea is that a handful of anti-spam activists will start 
searching for open relays.  They are people that didn't want to go to
all 
the work of setting up a new ORBZ of their own, but don't mind the risk
of 
getting caught searching for open relay.  Some may choose only to scan
open 
relays in foreign countries, minimizing their risk.  Others may feel
that 
there is no legal problem scanning for open relays.

People who feel there is an unacceptable risk can still use DSBL without

scanning for open relays.

>Also what would prevent an "unfriendly" ISP from purchasing a
competitors
>dial-up and submitting the competitors IP.

That's the potential problem that needs to be dealt with.

My guess is that they will have to start scanning any mailserver that
they 
get a connection from.  Legally, that's a lot safer than scanning
randomly 
for open relays (or even scanning submissions from users).  A nice "220 
hostname.dsbl.org WARNING: Sending E-mail here will result in a relay
test 
of your mailserver" type disclaimer would be useful.  I can't imagine
(with 
the U.S. legal system at least) that someone could be found guilty of 
anything if they tested mailservers that connected to them, *especially*

since the only mailservers authorized to connect are open relays.

Sue-happy individual:  "Judge, I want to sue him because I didn't
authorize 
him to use my mailserver"
Judge:  "But didn't you use his mailserver without authorization?"
                         -Scott

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