RE: [Declude.JunkMail] VeriSteal is stealing traffic from your domain.

[ISPhuset Nordic / Benny Samuelsen]

sure but yuo will still have the same problem as i see it if I fex register the domain then I can "steal" the traffic... its the same result.   I have an ex. hereon a company who set up there system like this and they could suddenly not send internal mail anymore... why wll someone had registered the domain they used as an internal domain... 600 users couldnt send mail for 8 weeks cost them big money to fix this From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Matthew Bramble Sent: 22. september 2003 20:19 To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ISPhuset Nordic / Benny Samuelsen wrote: Thats why you are supposed to use fex .loc That makes some sense, however there has been plenty of talk about allowing an infinite number of TLD's on the Internet.  Also, many companies actually use a sub-directory of their primary domain for their Active Directory.  I believe that your AD server would be sending lookups out to the root servers even if you used .loc as your TLD, the only difference is that .loc won't return SiteFinder, but something on .com and .net will now, but before it worked the same as .loc as long as your name wasn't registered.  if fex someone register this domain u use and then someone on the inside want to send an email to to them it will never get trough !!!! Only if your E-mail server is behind your Active Directory server.  I can't see why you would want to do that.  My Web/mail server doesn't use Active Directory and is located off-site. Jesus this is so basic in AD i thought most people know about those failures When I set up my AD server, I spent dozens of hours trying to figure the thing out by reading just about every document on Microsoft's Web site that I could find.  No where did I ever see such a thing mentioned.  As things stand, I wasted enough time setting up AD for what is currently a 2 computer network and I'm sure that many others feel the same way.  I'm quite happy with my internal name also, and have no interest in changing it.  If I want to register it, it's only $10 a year. What I'm pointing to with this is actually support for why something needs to be returned by the root servers saying record doesn't exist instead of just matching whatever they get with their site, even processing the E-mail that is received which would otherwise be unaddressable. Matt From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] On Behalf Of Matthew Bramble Sent: 22. september 2003 19:40 To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Who says that I have to register the domain that Active Directory is using?  My Active Directory name isn't intended to be used on the Internet.  In most installations, you look to your own Active Directory server first for the lookups, so if it exists on the Internet it won't interfeer...until now. I think this is one of the issues that ICANN was talking about concerning how the change can have unintended consequences (besides spam blockers).  This also looks to be a problem in general with how Microsoft delegates lookups.  Their software shouldn't take the root of your Active Directory tree and then append sub-domains to it and turn to the root servers for resolution.  That appears to be a security risk if you ask me, and it doesn't make sense to do. Matt John Tolmachoff (Lists) wrote: Ah yes, using an unregistered domain name with a real TLD is a no-no. When are people using AD going to get this?   AD must be configured correctly or else problems will come up when you least expect it.   John Tolmachoff MCSE CSSA Engineer/Consultant eServices For You www.eservicesforyou.com   -----Original Message----- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] On Behalf Of Matthew Bramble Sent: Monday, September 22, 2003 12:52 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [Declude.JunkMail] VeriSteal is stealing traffic from your domain.   I figured it out.  The problem is definitely with Active Directory.  Turning off DNS Client on the local server only created a situation where their first bogus sub-domain would timeout but a retry would still go to SiteFinder.  Here's what nslookup returns when directed at the DNS server on the co-located machine (not running Active Directory): adsfadsfasfdadsf.declude.com Server:  ns1.igaia.com Address:  208.7.179.11 Non-authoritative answer: Name:    adsfadsfasfdadsf.declude.com.primary.igaiaoffice.com Address:  64.94.110.11 That's the bogus sub-domain appended to my local Active Directory domain (replaced for security with an equivalent).   The issue relates to the fact that my real Active Directory domain name is not registered and lies in the .com namespace, so when the lookup fails on the primary server, it goes back to the local Active Directory server and appends the lookup that produces no match to my unregistered Active Directory name, which returns the IP for SiteFinder.  If I registered my Active Directory name, I wouldn't be directed to SiteFinder. Make sense now? Matt