Let's keep in mind that Spammers likely are behind costly and viscous virus/worm attacks to create zombie machines for their benefit.
They are also clearly coordinating their efforts in DOS attacks against anti-spam web-sites. In my book they have crossed the line from "nuisance" to organized crime or "racketeering" that causes significant economic loss. The combined money spent in anti-spam measures, cost of band-width for corporations and connection cost for individual users, not to speak about the cost involved with anti-virus defense and repairs amounts to a huge figure that could be spent on measures that could raise productivity elsewhere. If I only think of my own time spent every month on spam and virus defenses, it's enough to want to see these mafiosos put away for a long time, one at time. Best Regards Andy Schmidt Phone: +1 201 934-3414 x20 (Business) Fax: +1 201 934-9206 -----Original Message----- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Matthew Bramble Sent: Thursday, December 11, 2003 09:09 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [Declude.JunkMail] Virginia Indicts Two Men On Spam Charges Obviously we all hate spam, but in a country where Enron's executives still haven't been charged with a crime, it seems that maybe we're making a bit too much out of an individual spammer. I consider these guys to be merely a nuisance on an individual basis and the only damage they are capable of on their own seems mostly to be the result of carelessness instead of something intentional. I think a moderate jail sentence for a first offense is reasonable, but they should be fined in an amount comparable to their revenues from such activities. I haven't read the article though, so maybe these guys are the worst of the worst and deserve something a bit more harsh. I'd just rather we jail violent felons for long periods of time instead of just people that lack good judgment or good moral character, especially since such sentences won't stop spammers, it will just cause them to move elsewhere, as they have already been doing for some time. Matt Todd Holt wrote: ><.02> >The courts will see this as a "victimless" crime and give him a 2 month >sentence, under house arrest, blah, blah, blah, ginger. > >Then companies can sue him in civil court for losses they can >document... > Can you document your monetary losses from SPAM from a specific >source?? I know that I can't. That's what they count on. > >If they really wanted to stop SPAM they would, by making a mandatory 1 >year in jail for conviction of sending a single piece of SPAM. That >would make the punishment too great to risk committing the crime. Why >do you think so many people break the speed limit? Not because they >are unlikely to get caught, but if they do get caught, the punishment >is only a small fine and traffic school (which you can now take at home >in most states). > >The bottom line is that this is a political way to say they are doing >something about the problem without spending a lot of money or effort >on a problem they see as a nuisance. > ></.02> > >Todd Holt >Xidix Technologies, Inc >Las Vegas, NV USA >www.xidix.com >702.319.4349 > > > > > >>-----Original Message----- >>From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:Declude.JunkMail- >>[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Keith Anderson >>Sent: Thursday, December 11, 2003 4:15 PM >>To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] >>Subject: RE: [Declude.JunkMail] Virginia Indicts Two Men On Spam >> >> >Charges > > >>It's the "five years" that makes it a deterrent. Nobody cares about >> >> >the > > >>amount of the arbitrary fines for committing murder, either. >> >> >> >>>-----Original Message----- >>>From: Todd Holt [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] >>>Sent: Thursday, December 11, 2003 4:56 PM >>>To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] >>>Subject: RE: [Declude.JunkMail] Virginia Indicts Two Men On Spam >>>Charges >>> >>>I applaud there efforts, but... >>>$2500 a piece will deter no one!!! >>> >>> >>> >>>> >>>> >http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/articles/A56209-2003Dec11.html > > --- [This E-mail was scanned for viruses by Declude Virus (http://www.declude.com)] --- This E-mail came from the Declude.JunkMail mailing list. To unsubscribe, just send an E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED], and type "unsubscribe Declude.JunkMail". The archives can be found at http://www.mail-archive.com. --- [This E-mail was scanned for viruses by Declude Virus (http://www.declude.com)] --- This E-mail came from the Declude.JunkMail mailing list. To unsubscribe, just send an E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED], and type "unsubscribe Declude.JunkMail". The archives can be found at http://www.mail-archive.com.
