If you want to stop this stuff, hit 'em in the pocketbook. These actions are economically induced. This means fining them and shutting down the routing of their network traffic. Easier said than done, I know...

Burzin






At 08:08 PM 12/11/2003, you wrote:
Obviously we all hate spam, but in a country where Enron's executives still haven't been charged with a crime, it seems that maybe we're making a bit too much out of an individual spammer. I consider these guys to be merely a nuisance on an individual basis and the only damage they are capable of on their own seems mostly to be the result of carelessness instead of something intentional.

I think a moderate jail sentence for a first offense is reasonable, but they should be fined in an amount comparable to their revenues from such activities. I haven't read the article though, so maybe these guys are the worst of the worst and deserve something a bit more harsh. I'd just rather we jail violent felons for long periods of time instead of just people that lack good judgment or good moral character, especially since such sentences won't stop spammers, it will just cause them to move elsewhere, as they have already been doing for some time.

Matt



Todd Holt wrote:

<.02>
The courts will see this as a "victimless" crime and give him a 2 month
sentence, under house arrest, blah, blah, blah, ginger.

Then companies can sue him in civil court for losses they can
document...
        Can you document your monetary losses from SPAM from a specific
source??  I know that I can't.  That's what they count on.

If they really wanted to stop SPAM they would, by making a mandatory 1
year in jail for conviction of sending a single piece of SPAM.  That
would make the punishment too great to risk committing the crime.  Why
do you think so many people break the speed limit?  Not because they are
unlikely to get caught, but if they do get caught, the punishment is
only a small fine and traffic school (which you can now take at home in
most states).

The bottom line is that this is a political way to say they are doing
something about the problem without spending a lot of money or effort on
a problem they see as a nuisance.

</.02>

Todd Holt
Xidix Technologies, Inc
Las Vegas, NV  USA
www.xidix.com
702.319.4349





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Charges


It's the "five years" that makes it a deterrent. Nobody cares about

the


amount of the arbitrary fines for committing murder, either.



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I applaud there efforts, but...
$2500 a piece will deter no one!!!




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