Exactly, Chuck. AOL is implementing the very same "checks" that we are using in Declude. So what's the whining all about? I've been desperately waiting for years for some of the big players to enforce standards (e.g., reverse DNS) and prudent practices (e.g., no open relays, mail servers on dynamic IPs have to relay through their providers). I applaud AOL and hope Yahoo and Hotmail follow suit soon.
Then I can move the Reverse DNS failures and the Open Relay and DUL RBLs from a carefully chosen weight to straight DELETE - and simply adopt "industry standards". If someone complains, I no longer have to "defend" to business managers, why my servers are the "only" ones bouncing some moron's email - because that point won't be made anymore. Even better, it will force wanna-be mail-admin's to either learn their trade or to get someone do to it right. Not every tinkerer who runs Windows NT/2000/XP workstation on their DSL or Cable modem at home needs to run personal web services and turn on SMTP (ideally in open relay mode) - if they do, they can do it for their own entertainment. But unless they do it correctly (e.g., define a smart host), their mails won't be delivered to the outside world. Nothing wrong with that. Best Regards Andy Schmidt Phone: +1 201 934-3414 x20 (Business) Fax: +1 201 934-9206 -----Original Message----- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Chuck Schick Sent: Wednesday, December 17, 2003 12:07 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: RE: [Declude.JunkMail] AOL and Reverse DNS I will disagree. I do not believe there is any comparison between MS EULA and AOL mail policies. I do not see AOL's actions as the "...internet-nazi-police tactics..." as you claim. I do not see where AOL is gaining any competitive advantage, they are simply trying to protect their network and client base the same as many of us. I have picked up many AOL customers for Internet access because they could no longer stand the spam in their AOL mail accounts. I actually applaud AOL doing this - it will force many people to get a reverse DNS entry and maybe they will fix their DNS record along the way. If I block people because of Reverse DNS, the blocked entity will simply criticize our policies. If AOL blocks them they will fix their rdns. If more mail servers had the MX records and reverse DNS entries, I could tighten up my filtering because I would have less worries about blocking legitimate mail from badly configured mail servers. I guess I do not see the problem - it is not much different than when most ISPs started blocking Port 25 for access. Or implemented SMTP Authentication. Just me 2 cents on the subject. Chuck Schick ---------- Original Message ---------------------------------- From: "Todd Holt" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Tue, 16 Dec 2003 16:32:57 -0800 >I know this will stir a few people the wrong way, but. > >If so many people are upset that MS is being monopolistic by using >their EULA to prevent software from operating, then why don't those >same people get upset at AOL for the internet-nazi-police tactics used >to prevent mail from being delivered? > >MS just says that you can't use certain apps on their OS. AOL says >that you can't deliver mail through mail servers (that control more >email than any other on the planet) because they deemed it "bad" >through inaccurate, generalized and dare I say "monopolistic" policies. > >The lack of complaints about AOL just shows that the MS bashers are not >upset about the MS policies (or monopoly), they just want to complain >about the big company on the block. I think if the majority owner of >AOL was the richest person on the planet, they would bash AOL. How >short sided!!! > >Further, all of the justice dept. proceedings are based on complaints >by the competition, not the users. On the other hand, AOL has >thousands of consumer complaints, but very few (if any) complaints by >competitors. It's obvious that the justice dept. just wants to appease >whiny losers like Jim Barksdale and Scott McNealy. And the MS bashers >just fall in line. Lemmings. Todd Holt >Xidix Technologies, Inc >Las Vegas, NV USA >www.xidix.com >702.319.4349 > --- [This E-mail was scanned for viruses by Declude Virus (http://www.declude.com)] --- This E-mail came from the Declude.JunkMail mailing list. To unsubscribe, just send an E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED], and type "unsubscribe Declude.JunkMail". The archives can be found at http://www.mail-archive.com. --- [This E-mail was scanned for viruses by Declude Virus (http://www.declude.com)] --- This E-mail came from the Declude.JunkMail mailing list. To unsubscribe, just send an E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED], and type "unsubscribe Declude.JunkMail". The archives can be found at http://www.mail-archive.com.
