Andy,
BLAT is great for scripting, but I don't think that you want to create
such a dependency within Declude, and I could see this causing issues
on some systems since this would be handled outside of the standard
process. Since they already have a mail server to work with, I would
start there. Just a personal opinion of course.
In the context of backscatter, I have turned off every bounce in
Declude except for banned extensions which exclude encrypted zips. I
still generate backscatter, primarily from broken viruses, but it's not
generally an issue unless a virus is prone to corruption. So for me,
it's not as big of an issue as it is for others, and I believe that
backscatter is a larger issue that needs to be dealt with.
Considering that it is likely possible to generate bounces with IMail
and SmarterMail though, and considering that it is proper and I assume
RCF compliant to do so, I would think that they should add this to a
short list. If so, they should also generate a Return-Path header for
the null sender in order to keep pace with evolving standards.
Matt
Andy Schmidt wrote:
Hi Matt:
>> I don't think that this would be
trivial since there are several functions that use this and now two
different platforms <<
Now may actually be the right time - they
clearly HAD to "unbundle" their code from Imail1.exe in order to
support SmarterMail. If anything, now it should be trivial to offer
BLAT or some other mailers as a third format.
Keep in mind - the command line syntax is
very close(one uses -f for 'file', the other -f for 'from' -- big
deal). I've frequently customized mailer scripts to use one or the
other mailer application. It literally takes minutes...
Best Regards
Andy Schmidt
Phone: +1 201 934-3414 x20
(Business)
Fax: +1 201 934-9206
Andy,
I also assume that they could also generate both a D and Q file and
then just give it back to the SMTP process (IMail specific but likely
also possible in SmarterMail). I would definitely approve of the
change, and it is the right thing to do, but I don't think that this
would be trivial since there are several functions that use this and
now two different platforms.
Matt
Andy Schmidt wrote:
>> IMail won't let Declude send as
<>. That's the problem.<<
Almost. The problem is that Declude
still CHOOSES to use the Imail1.exe command line application, even
though it clearly is unsuitable for the task.
Best Regards
Andy Schmidt
Phone: +1 201 934-3414 x20
(Business)
Fax: +1 201 934-9206
IMail won't let Declude send as <>. That's the problem.
Matt
Andy Schmidt wrote:
>> If I could I would bounce their C/R so
it never get to us. I tried it once and it got us in a loop with
another ISP's C/R <<
Yes, that's
Declude's fault as much as it is an unacceptable C/R implementation.
NEITHER should be sending notices from anything but NULL. If at least
ONE party had their act together, there would be no loops.
Declude has a
HUGE flaw that it's OWN bounce messages (and other notices), cannot be
sent from the <> (null) sender. They are using the Imail
mailer to generate their notices, which doesn't support <> as the
sender. They really need to allow us to define the path of one of the
readily available third party mailers that CAN send messages from NULL.
Best Regards
Andy Schmidt
Phone: +1 201 934-3414
x20 (Business)
Fax: +1 201 934-9206
"BTW,
Kami has had repeated issues with C/R stopping his receipts. I'm not
totally sure of the details there."
WE HATE EARTHLINK.. everyday we get 20-30
C/R to our receipts. We simply delete them since it is impossible to
keep up.
If I could I would bounce their C/R so it
never get to us. I tried it once and it got us in a loop with another
ISP's C/R and by the time we stopped it 200 emails had gone back and
forth. Lesson learned :)
Regards,
- Kami
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