David, that sounds like the case I saw that noted that "his firewall
wasn't allowing outbound DNS" and also noted that implementing
WINSOCKCLEANUP ON worked for him.  I wasn't at all sure that the winsock
fix was relevant for him!

I'll keep watching my folders.  Perhaps I'll get lucky enough to need to
the fix and may offer some further insight here.

Andrew.


> -----Original Message-----
> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
> [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of David Barker
> Sent: Tuesday, May 23, 2006 3:30 PM
> To: Declude.JunkMail@declude.com
> Subject: RE: [Declude.JunkMail] Experience with 4.x
> 
> The only way that we have detected this was with Imail and 
> mail being stuck in the spool. "...network stack causing loss 
> of functionality for basic network operations" is generic but 
> if I remember correctly when this happened the admin was not 
> even able to ping an outside server, which would suggest to 
> me other IP communications fail as well.
> 
> David B
> www.declude.com
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of 
> Colbeck, Andrew
> Sent: Tuesday, May 23, 2006 6:26 PM
> To: Declude.JunkMail@declude.com
> Subject: RE: [Declude.JunkMail] Experience with 4.x
> 
> Thanks, David.
> 
> I've read all of the support forum emails that have been 
> posted on the WINSOCKCLEANUP and even reviewed them again via 
> the mail archive website before my own implementation.
> 
> What I haven't been able to tell is whether I can diagnose 
> this issue if I have it before it becomes an outage.
> 
> Can it only be detected by it's side-effect of filling up the 
> proc folder?
> 
> If I have a mechanism on my IMail server that does DNS 
> queries... Will they fail when the WinSock needs being 
> cleaned up?  I think not, as at least one posting 
> specifically mentioned that IMail IP4R tests worked when 
> DecludeProc IP4R tests timed out.
> 
> Your official description for "WINSOCKCLEANUP ON" says 
> "...network stack causing loss of functionality for basic 
> network operations"; is this deliberately generic so that you 
> don't have to explain what a DNS test is, or does it imply 
> that other IP communications will also fail, e.g.
> SMTP and (critically for me) RDP?
> 
> Andrew.
> 
> 
> 
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> > [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of 
> David Barker
> > Sent: Tuesday, May 23, 2006 3:12 PM
> > To: Declude.JunkMail@declude.com
> > Subject: RE: [Declude.JunkMail] Experience with 4.x
> > 
> > Andrew,
> > 
> > In certain cases we found that Imail would stop resolving, 
> it seemed 
> > that stop/starting the decludeproc or smtp service fixed 
> the problem 
> > by resetting the winsock. So we added WINSOCKCLEANUP to 
> deal with this 
> > specific Imail issue.
> > 
> > David B
> > www.declude.com
> > 
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> > [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Colbeck, 
> > Andrew
> > Sent: Tuesday, May 23, 2006 3:45 PM
> > To: Declude.JunkMail@declude.com
> > Subject: RE: [Declude.JunkMail] Experience with 4.x
> > 
> > David, is there a proactive way to detect if an installation would 
> > benefit from the WINSOCKCLEANUP ON directive in declude.cfg?
> > 
> > I would rather be able to detect this while it's happening than to 
> > react when I find that spam is leaking or that the proc folder is 
> > continually growing.
> > 
> > Andrew.
> > 
> > 
> > > -----Original Message-----
> > > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> > > [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of
> > David Barker
> > > Sent: Tuesday, May 23, 2006 7:48 AM
> > > To: Declude.JunkMail@declude.com
> > > Subject: RE: [Declude.JunkMail] Experience with 4.x
> > > 
> > > Mike,
> > > 
> > > 1. The  WINSOCKCLEANUP        ON activates when the \Proc 
> reaches 0
> > > 2. If Decludeproc stops unexpectedly files it is busy with
> > are move to
> > > the \review
> > > 3. You can use AUTOREVIEW ON to have these move back to the \proc
> > > 4. Be aware though if there is a real problem message you 
> may find 
> > > that the message gets looped 5. Make sure you have the
> > latest version
> > > of decludeproc ... There should be a release later today or
> > tommorow.
> > > 
> > > David B
> > > www.declude.com
> > > 
> > > 
> > > -----Original Message-----
> > > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> > > [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Mike N
> > > Sent: Tuesday, May 23, 2006 10:23 AM
> > > To: Declude.JunkMail@declude.com
> > > Subject: Re: [Declude.JunkMail] Experience with 4.x
> > > 
> > > I found that WINSOCKCLEANUP ON would force a reset if the \proc 
> > > directory
> > > never hits 0.   In this case, files build up in the \review 
> > > subfolder which
> > > require manual processing.
> > > 
> > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > From: "David Barker" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> > > To: <Declude.JunkMail@declude.com>
> > > Sent: Tuesday, May 23, 2006 7:34 AM
> > > Subject: RE: [Declude.JunkMail] Experience with 4.x
> > > 
> > > 
> > > > The purpose of WINSOCKCLEANUP        ON is to reset the 
> > > winsock, what
> > > > happens when using this setting is that when the \proc
> > > directory hit 0
> > > > decludeproc will finish processing all the messages in 
> the \work 
> > > > before checking the \proc again.
> > > 
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