A service provider program would be an interesting topic for discussion. And probably this list is fine as all the active people appear to be interested.
Personally I am curious about ideas regarding this that everyone has. And fear that it will involve more expense as opposed to more revenues. If it genuinely involved more revenue then I am all for sharing it. It is just that I have yet to see an honest program out there. That does not mean that Declude cannot do it however. So I am curious Harry Vanderzand inTown Internet & Computer Services 519-741-1222 > -----Original Message----- > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On > Behalf Of David Barker > Sent: Wednesday, July 19, 2006 10:06 AM > To: [email protected] > Subject: RE: [Declude.JunkMail] Declude 4.3 > > Robert, > > I did not say that Postini offered a poor service it was a > comment from Matt. My point was that the market is huge and > Declude with our existing customer base can be successful > with a very very small % of this market. The difference is > how we go about obtaining our share, this is part of the idea > behind the Service Provider Program. > > What I would like to see is some postive ideas as a community > on how this can best be done. > > Perhaps, I should set up a separate list for this discussion ? > > David B > www.declude.com > > -----Original Message----- > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On > Behalf Of Robert E. Spivack > Sent: Wednesday, July 19, 2006 3:08 AM > To: [email protected] > Subject: RE: [Declude.JunkMail] Declude 4.3 > > Correction David B, Postini offers a great product, it's > Declude with the product that is questionable. > > We switched most of our services over to Postini and have > been glad to avoid the bugs, crashes, and huge price hikes of > Declude. In comparison, as our Postini volume grows, our > costs are actually going down. > > Managed services is growing, but managed spam blocking and av > is actually stagnent. Postini and others (choose your > favorite leader) already have most the market. Just ask most > end-users --- it no longer is a question of "do you have av > or spam blocking protection" - most everyone does. It's a > tougher issue of how well does it work - "good enough" is > unfortunately the answer from many people and "not good > enough but I won't pay a dime more for something better" is > the answer from the rest. > > As evidenced by Postini, Microsoft, and other activity, the > CAGR growth is coming from enhanced services such as > archiving (SOX compliance), encryption, collaboration, and > other newer value-added email services. > > As mentioned by others, av scanning and spam blocking is commoditized. > > Sure, that doesn't mean there will not continue to be > incremental technology improvements and some smaller vendors > will eek out some growth continuing to offer slightly better > technical solutions, but in the overall market, the chance > for a big win by new players in av/spam blocking services is past. > > "game over" guys - time to come up with some new tricks > besides trying to squeeze your best advocates for more money. > > F-Prot, Declude, & ???? who next will be hurting and trying > to survive by raising prices? In a commodity market with > many suppliers, that's not a winning strategy. > > -----Original Message----- > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On > Behalf Of David Barker > Sent: Tuesday, July 18, 2006 2:09 PM > To: [email protected] > Subject: RE: [Declude.JunkMail] Declude 4.3 > > Matt, > > Managed services is the fastest growing segment of this > industry, CAGR forecasted at 25% per year through 2009. While > the industry may seem commoditized, you have pointed out > that businesses like Postini offer a poor product but are > projecting $100,000,000 in revenues. So I'd say there is > plenty of revenue to cannibalize if Declude works with > Service Providers to empower them to offer premium services > and help market and promote those services. This is the idea > behind our Service Provider Program. I don't think we're > being greedy, but rather trying to get creative and help the > small guys compete against the big guys. > > If you have any questions or would like to speak to someone > about the program please call or email: > > Arik [EMAIL PROTECTED] > Kristina [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > David B > www.declude.com > > > ________________________________ > > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On > Behalf Of Matt > Sent: Tuesday, July 18, 2006 4:07 PM > To: [email protected] > Subject: Re: [Declude.JunkMail] Declude 4.3 > > > David, > > What makes the good folk at Declude and CommTouch believe > that there is any revenue to share? For the majority of > service providers that are Declude customers, spam blocking > is a 100% cost center, and for the few that offer a gateway > service, none of us are getting rich, in fact the astounding > greed that software companies have presented us with in the > last 5 years combined with competitive pressures of cheap or > even free services has commoditized much of what we are doing. > > I have absolutely no revenue to share with Declude or > CommTouch outside of reasonable software licensing fees. The > only revenue that I share is with those that generate > business for my company. If I get rich off of doing what I > am doing, it will be primarily the result of my blood, sweat > and tears, otherwise there would be 10,000 others just like me. > > Matt > > > > David Barker wrote: > > There are restrictions on CommTouch being used by > Service Providers we had > to ensure that NEW customers (ie. Service Providers > After 1 June 06) > understand the licensing restrictions. > > Current Service Providers (ie. Before 1 June 06) are > under no restrictions > for using Declude; only the CommTouch add-in component. > > However we have managed to come to an agreement with > CommTouch to enable our > legacy customers (ie. Service Providers Before 1 June > 06) to take advantage > of CommTouch under a revenue share program, this > program is not being forced > onto legacy customers but will be an opportunity for us > to help you increase > revenues in your business, by providing you with new > product like the > Declude Gateway which would be independent of > Imail/SmarterMail and will > include CommTouch. > > David B > www.declude.com > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > On Behalf Of John T > (Lists) > Sent: Tuesday, July 18, 2006 3:02 PM > To: [email protected] > Subject: RE: [Declude.JunkMail] Declude 4.3 > > I guess we all missed the following paragraph in the license > agreement: > > 3.2.6 sub-license, rent, sell, lease, distribute, or > otherwise transfer the > Licensed Program save as provided under this End-User > License Agreement > unless You obtain a separate License from Declude, Inc. > for such purposes > (for example, You may not embed the Licensed Program > into another > application and then distribute such to third parties > unless You first > acquire an OEM License from Declude, Inc.). As of June > 1, 2006, ISP's and > other service providers are not permitted to use > Declude software to clean > and forward mail to customers unless a separate revenue > share agreement has > been established with Declude. > > http://www.declude.com/Articles.asp?ID=121 > > Is Declude trying to put us out of business? We pay for > the software and now > have to pay them some of your meager profits? > > John T > eServices For You > > "Seek, and ye shall find!" > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of > Gary Steiner > Sent: Tuesday, July 18, 2006 11:24 AM > To: [email protected] > Subject: [Declude.JunkMail] Declude 4.3 > > I guess someone is going to make an official > announcement today about > > > Declude 4.3? > > > I see that its downloadable in my account, but > it would be nice to > know > > > what I'm > > > getting before I install it, especially the new > Commtouch stuff. > > The "Restrictions" listed next to the Add > Commtouch section are > especially > > > confusing. > > > https://www.declude.com/articles.asp?ID=205 > > Who would use Declude and not fit the > definitions of the restrictions? > > > Based on my > > > reading of the Restrictions, nobody who uses > Declude will ever be able > to > > > use > > > Commtouch. If I am misreading this, would > someone please explain it > to > > > me? > > > Gary > > > > > > --- > This E-mail came from the Declude.JunkMail > mailing list. To > > unsubscribe, just send an E-mail to > [EMAIL PROTECTED], and type > "unsubscribe Declude.JunkMail". The archives > can be found at > http://www.mail-archive.com. > > > > > > > --- > This E-mail came from the Declude.JunkMail mailing > list. To unsubscribe, > just send an E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED], and type > "unsubscribe > Declude.JunkMail". The archives can be found at > http://www.mail-archive.com. > > > > --- > This E-mail came from the Declude.JunkMail mailing list. To > unsubscribe, just send an E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED], and > type "unsubscribe Declude.JunkMail". The archives can be found > at http://www.mail-archive.com. > > > > > > > --- > This E-mail came from the Declude.JunkMail mailing list. To > unsubscribe, just send an E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED], and > type "unsubscribe Declude.JunkMail". 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