Hi Robert I have read your post on Delphi 2005. All I can say is ditto,ditto,ditto. I firmly believe that the 2005 version of Delphi is such a poor product And that Borland won't recover from this. I cannot believe the absolute Bugginess of 2005. I too have been with Delphi since Version 1 but have switched over to V.Studio.net 2003 and can't wait for the New 2005. I have Chrome installed and I believe this product will save us Poor Delphinians.
I, like you am bitterly disappointed by Borland's latest offering. I will NOT give them another chance! Its not down to a case of : "If you cant Beat 'em - join em" ! Cheers Luke -----Original Message----- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Robert Meek Sent: 20 May 2005 11:30 AM To: [email protected] Subject: Delph, Pascal,and .NET I've been a devout Delphi user since I started programming and because I was always able to do whatever I needed or wanted to do with Delphi I never had any real concern for learning a different language than Pascal. But with .NET breathing down our necks I figured it was time to so and it seemed that Delphi 2005 was the best way. Anyone who has used D9 knows only too well the problems inherent to the IDE and the many difficulties involved with doing any real work with it, but I persisted and with the help of the Delphi Configuration Manager, Castilia, and a LOT of trial and error I finally had it setup so that I could work with it...in Pascal at least...allowing me to continue a few projects I still had on the board. But no matter what I did the IDE was still slow...unbelievably slow! And no matter what excuses you make for it being this way, not to mention the almost daily barrage of other errors and mishaps the IDE is prone to, working with it just isn't as much fun as it used to be! If it behaved even half as well as D7 I'd be happy, but I've finally got to admit...it's a lemon! I really hate saying that, and I really did try to give Delphi every possible bit of credit that I could, but when you get right down to cases, Delphi 2005 feels like a an Isuzu, handles like a Volkswagen beetle, and requires the upkeep of a Jaguar! With that said, and my membership in the Delphi community now under scrutiny by those who would rather die than switch, what was I to do? Knowing ONLY Pascal, were I to start learning C# and .NET I would be facing two completely new paradigms at the same time, and besides I couldn't even get D9's C# IDE to compile a simple "Hello World" example from C#'s author's book! VB, although much better than it was when I first looked at it still irritates me with keywords like "DIM", and as for C++, well that's a road I never want to have to go down as well! Suddenly, and as if on cue, the sun rises in the form of a little thing called "Chrome"! I've been hearing about it for awhile now, and had even checked out their web site a few times. But I had never given it any serious consideration simply because it is made to sit atop Visual Studio, and the Delphi in me just couldn't allow me to move in that particular direction! But when I read what Bob Swart had to say about it, and when I read the posts from those who had started using it on the Nexus newsgroups, I decided it may be worthwhile looking into...just in case! So I picked up a cheap copy of VS 2003 and added Chrome to it. And after a few days of asking dumb questions and getting my head to think in terms of namespaces and other .NET specific ideals, I've actually written a real, working program! It runs just as fast as a comparative test made against a Delphi exe, and actually requires less coding! But most important of all that I've learned in trying this combination out, is that Visual Studio is one hell of an IDE to work in! To begin with it's fast! It loads up, with Chrome, in under 4 seconds flat! And my index finger is just barely coming off the up-click of my mouse when it switches from code to design view or back again! It's much more configurable than Delphi, uses less resources, and allows me to switch between Pascal and C# almost instantaneously...even allowing both languages use within the same project group, or Solution as they call it! VS's help files, the .NET SDK files, and Chromes own help files make Delphi's look like those offered by TMS software...BAD! And...well I could go on for a long time describing the many differences that become so apparent when you fire it up, but I won't. What I WILL say however, is that if you haven't checked it out, now is the time! Because unless Borland can make some really drastic changes to their IDE and the way it works in the upcoming 3rd patch for D 2005, I'm afraid the writing will finally be on the wall! As I said before, I've given Delphi every conceivable break I can, but I honestly don't know how anyone can continue supporting them the way things are going! How can a professional programmer make any money when it now takes twice as long just to work in their IDE compared to others? Yes I still love Delphi, and I will continue using D7 and even a little D9 when and where I must, but I seriously believe this will be the last version I buy! If you feel anywhere close to the same, I really suggest that you check Chrome out. As I said, it's fast, completely integrated into VS making Pascal a supported language, and so can really speed up your transition into .NET using a language we all love. >From "Robert Meek" Personal e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] dba / "Tangentals Design" Visit us at: www.TangentalsDesign.com Home of "The Keep"! 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