As this IS the Delphi-Talk list, we like to leave discussions as
they are without intervention, and knowing Alan thru the lists for as many
years as I have, I think I can say without doubt that his comments were not
made without great thought and that his political views, thought slightly
OT, have not been given without him feeling their relevance to the current
topic. ( Geesh that was a long sentence! No proper writing instructions
please! <g> )
I believe that what a man in the position of CEO says MUST be taken
as gospel by his company's stockholders AND it's customers! I spent what is
to me a great deal of money giving Delphi and Borland yet another chance
despite the previous years of utter failure due to what he and some of the
other people from Borland said! And as for TurboPower, well there too, I
had just renewed all my licenses two weeks before they announced they were
going under, and I was still awaiting one or two updates! I must admit to
being pretty mad when they went under!
Now I've been in one business or another since I was 16, and I know
that what was done in both cases is considered common practice, but then so
was child molesting during most of the Roman Empire. One HAS to bitch a
little to be heard, and then when enough people agree changes can be made!
Were I put into this situation I wouldn't have continued as if the sun was
shining down on my corporate desk!
It's the same when talking about world politics. Although I don't
necessarily agree with Alan's reasoning, I DO agree that the results have
been terrible, and except for the fact that we may have put off the eventual
political/religious jihad/war that IS coming between the Christian and Arab
worlds for a few years more, the majority of US efforts around the world are
a complete failure! I stand on my right and Alan's to say that at anytime
and anywhere I feel it's relevant to do so without being badgered or put
down for my views because that is what my forefathers fought for! And I'm
more than willing to debate the issues with anyone but not here because then
it WOULD be Off Topic!
But what I originally wanted to say was that I feel very sad right
now at the current situation and the loss of direction I feel from it. Last
year I nearly put Delphi away to struggle thru NET alone due to these same
kind of feelings, and now I'm even more depressed! It's not because of the
necessity of technological change that drives the industry or the economics
that drive the technology itself, and it's not even the loss of Borland,
which to me is little more than a name I can't find on my well-chipped,
Inprise coffee cup! It's because during the few months that I spent working
in NET and with the NET community I noticed that something very important to
my life was missing. That was all of you! The "independent" Delphi
community! That's the group of developers whom aren't necessarily directly
involved with a corporate presence or some other major group...open source
or not!
When I came here the first time way back when, I didn't know a
variable from a class, ( some of you probably think I still don't know! ),
but since then I've gotten to the point where not only am I able to make a
little extra income without working all that hard, but more importantly I'm
doing something I enjoy tremendously and am able to do for those that can't
always afford the high prices that most programmers charge for their
services! Alan Moore is a music Professor, another is studying to become a
policeman over in the UK! The majority of regular posters on these lists
owe no one...except perhaps their local bank! We come together here to help
each other and to get help when we need it...that's it...and without any
animosity or other attitudes being directed at us!
Unfortunately it's not always like that on other lists and in other
newsgroups. Ask a dumb question on a NET related group and they let you
know you're an idiot! Post a controversial viewpoint even on one of their
off-topic lists and man you better get ready to receive some private hate
e-mail!
As I said earlier, I'm going to try and continue for now with a
positive outlook on all this, and hopefully from somewhere, someone who
cares enough about what Delphi is now and can be in the future will pick it
up. But in the meantime PLEASE don't succumb to the same kinds of attitude
and behavior that is so common everywhere else. The current IDE is great in
my estimation, and is probably a lot more than the majority of us will ever
need or use. Keep the faith until whatever will happen does, but just
remember one thing. If we lose these lists to anger, prejudice,
controversy, or dishonorable behavior, we have no where else to go!
from Robert Meek dba Tangentals Design CCopyright 2006
"When I examine myself and my methods of thought, I come to the conclusion
that the gift of Fantasy has meant more to me then my talent for absorbing
positive knowledge!"
Albert Einstein
-----Original Message-----
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
On Behalf Of Mark Bracey
Sent: Thursday, February 09, 2006 1:43 AM
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Subject: RE: Borland sells out...again!
I guess you would have to expect this from a dumbass music teacher who has
been an 'academic' his whole life. Let me guess, your an anti-capitalist
throwback from the sixties. Afraid of competing in the real world? I have
a feeling you wouldn't cut it.
-----Original Message-----
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Sent: Wednesday, February 08, 2006 2:41 PM
To: [email protected]
Subject: Re: Borland sells out...again!
Robert,
> There's very little I hate more than being directly lied to. I
> never tolerated it from my children, and they stopped trying at a very
young
> age, unfortunately I wasn't around when the new CEO of Borland was raised!
> His very words, "I'm not here to sell the company", are indicative of a
> problem that has been festering at the heart of the Borland Company for
> many, many years, and that is that they don't give a dam about their
> products, the developers who have bought them for all these years, or even
> their own employees who made some of the greatest strides in modern
> programming history!
I have to disagree with you, although I too hate liars (and we have one of
the biggest in history as the President of our country, the USA). I think
it
unfair to accuse the CEO of lying when you have no way of knowing for
certain
what his original intention was. The change of direction at TurboPower was
serious "writing on the wall," in my view. And then Delphi Informant
folded, a
particularly sad moment for me. So in a sense, this could be seen as the
next
logical step, like it or not (and few if any of us like it).
The marketing comments made in other discussion threads are very correct;
but
that is old news. What all of us are facing is, in my view, a most
difficult
world economy, exacerbated in large part by the selfish cruel idiots running
the United States, my country. The USA has been taken over by the War
Party,
who have put half of this country's resources into illegal and ineffective
conflicts in the middle east (still more to come in March I am afraid)
profiting
a small group of war profiteers and mercenaries. I can tell you as a
University Professor who has received few raises in recent years that my own
standard
of living continues to decline. And I hear and see the same all around.
But
few understand the situation (unless they spend a lot of time on the
Internet)
because the corporate media in this country is controlled by the same
fascist
group the controls Washington.
But on a more positive side, technology continues to grow, and that is the
good news. But in these challenging times companies have to be creative and
have to be willing to make touch decisions if they want to survive. Read
David
I's statement that started the whole discussion. While I think he may be
overly positive, if you read it carefully you begin to understand that
Borland had
no more of a choice about this then TurboPower had earlier.
I too would like to see Borland just open source the whole line of products
just as TurboPower did with most of their products. But we'll have to wait
and
see. The best news is that we still have a community out there, even if the
flagship on which we have been riding for a long time is about to change
direction.
Best wishes,
Alan C. Moore
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