Hi Rohit,

Apologies if I sounded abrupt: I was trying to not be personal - but to
point out that adequacy for any individual's needs is not a test of the
VCL's competence.

The point I was making, yes I'm feeling more tolerant today, is that
"childish" is not a good description for the VCL. Inadequate for your
purpose, frustrating etc - I can't disagree with that, nor argue with your,
or anyone else's, competence.

The point I was making was that the VCL does what it was intended to do,
which is clearly less than some people want (which is why Max et al have had
to "fix" it) - but still what was intended and, arguably, what the majority
of Delphi users need. That may make it a commercial solution, rather than a
technically pure one - but not a childish one.

Nor was I questioning your competence - the fact that you, and your clients,
set a high standard is not in question. But neither does that mean that the
VCL is childish, and hence inadequate for the vast majority of us mere

I understood that what you were saying was something like "I get frustrated
when the VCL doesn't do what I want" - but I reacted to the emotionally
charged connotation behind "childish".

No offence intended.


-----Original Message-----
Behalf Of Rohit Gupta
Sent: Friday, 12 March 1999 02:48
To: Multiple recipients of list delphi
Subject: RE: Re: [DUG]: Dumb question of the day

On 10 Mar 99 at 10:23, Max Renshaw-Fox wrote:

> I guess I should take up the challenge... (OK I'm feeling combative today)

Oops, did I hit a raw nerve.  :-)  Well, I certainly dont feel

As you know, I made no comment on the developers using Delphi, just
its VCL.

First, the kind of applications we write places different demands on
the language and OS.  Ever since Turbo Pascal 3, I have used the
language to its utmost and BP7 has still not run out of steam.
Even D4 has not got there yet.

Your view (or indeed anyones) of their code and facilites is coloured
by your own experience.  My (and people such as Paul Lowman, Max
Neilsen and Paul Heinz) maybe far greater in that respect.  For
instance we have in the past written our own multi-tasking kernel for
CPM, MSDOS, TurboPascal, Microsoft Basic etc.  When I look at various
bits of this professional VCL, parts of it are a joke (for eg the
multi-threading, we had better facilities 15 years ago).  OTOH,
certainly there are portions that are great.

My users demand more from my windows system than they had in my dos
system.  I cant give it to them using standard components.  Heck, I
cant even do it with all the libs out there.  And others (including
the few named above) have gone to great pain in duplicating and
fixing most of VCL).  They didnt do it for fun.



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