Todd, you are correct.. My meaning is that I feel this is why the companies are being so tight about things.. more as a way to stop theft, than to take ownership.. Personally.. I've never signed any such agreement. Normally they back down when I rationalize it to them, or I walk away.
"Hi Kyley > I have contracted in a firm before where there was a clear case of an > employee "holding back" at work and not exhibiting the full potential of > their skills and salary.. at the same time they discovered he was > developing applications different from work but for the same sector.. in > their mind these products should rightly have been introduced into the > companies product... Especially if you are employed as someone who is > supposed to guide the direction of the software. You're talking about a situation where there is a direct conflict of interest. That is quite a bit different from an employer demanding ownership of any intellectual property you dream up or develop outside work hours. " On Thu, Sep 17, 2009 at 12:11 PM, Todd Martin <todd.martin...@gmail.com>wrote: > Hi Kyley > > > I have contracted in a firm before where there was a clear case of an > > employee "holding back" at work and not exhibiting the full potential of > > their skills and salary.. at the same time they discovered he was > > developing applications different from work but for the same sector.. in > > their mind these products should rightly have been introduced into the > > companies product... Especially if you are employed as someone who is > > supposed to guide the direction of the software. > > You're talking about a situation where there is a direct conflict of > interest. That is quite a bit different from an employer demanding > ownership of any intellectual property you dream up or develop outside > work hours. > > >.. if > > they want to own everything I do during my employment then they can > > double the salary or include a profit share system on any personal > designs. > > Agreed. > > > And lasty.. if you are using any company owned assets in the development > > of personal gain then that is really not Kosha.. you should be using > > your own licenses, computers etc etc.. > > Agreed. > > > > I mean.. if you were a plumber.. and you didn't own a van or tools, but > > they were provided by your company.. and after hours you went and did > > plumbing using their van, their gas, their tools, and you pocketed the > > cash do you really think that its a reasonable thing? Software is no > > different.. give and take. > > Todd. > > > > Get used to it. > > > > As I stated, it is fairly common now (not always, please don't take > > this as generalisation) that unless the application was already > > defined, it belongs to the company. Companies are looking more to > > the fact they employ you for your design and invention skills, > > therefore they figure they own those skills and anything that comes > > from it. > > > > Steve Peacocke > > > > > > On Thu, Sep 17, 2009 at 8:57 AM, Todd Martin <todd.martin.nz > > <http://todd.martin.nz>@gmail.com <http://gmail.com>> wrote: > > > > Hi Steve > > > > That is an absolute outrage. Anyone worth their salt would never > > sign > > such a contract. > > > > Todd. > > > > > > > > This is fairly common over here for programmers to have to > > sign away all > > > applications programmed at home. > > > > > > Steve Peacocke > > > > > > > > > On Thu, Sep 17, 2009 at 8:20 AM, Leigh Wanstead > > <lei...@softtech.co.nz <mailto:lei...@softtech.co.nz> > > > <mailto:lei...@softtech.co.nz <mailto:lei...@softtech.co.nz>>> > > wrote: > > > > > > Hi Steve, > > > > > > > > > > > > I thought what you described is for the no knowledge > > required job > > > i.e. waiter etc. It happens in Delphi? > > > > > > > > > > > > Have a nice day > > > > > > > > > > > > Regards > > > > > > Leigh > > > > > > *From:* delphi-boun...@delphi.org.nz > > <mailto:delphi-boun...@delphi.org.nz> > > > <mailto:delphi-boun...@delphi.org.nz > > <mailto:delphi-boun...@delphi.org.nz>> > > > [mailto:delphi-boun...@delphi.org.nz > > <mailto:delphi-boun...@delphi.org.nz> > > > <mailto:delphi-boun...@delphi.org.nz > > <mailto:delphi-boun...@delphi.org.nz>>] *On Behalf Of *Steve > > Peacocke > > > *Sent:* Thursday, 17 September 2009 10:03 a.m. > > > > > > > > > *To:* NZ Borland Developers Group - Delphi List > > > *Subject:* Re: [DUG] A change in upgrade policy coming > > from Embarcadero > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > There have been several instances, very real over here, > > where the > > > employer can hire a new employee and legally keep them on > > trial for > > > up to a year, then simply fire them without explanation > > and without > > > any legal issues at all, rather than pay contract rates. > > In one > > > instance, the employer was able to fire people within > > their 3 months > > > and hire another employee from another agency, rather than > > pay the > > > agency fees. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > NZ Borland Developers Group - Delphi mailing list > > > Post: delphi@delphi.org.nz <mailto:delphi@delphi.org.nz> > > <mailto:delphi@delphi.org.nz <mailto:delphi@delphi.org.nz>> > > > Admin: http://delphi.org.nz/mailman/listinfo/delphi > > > Unsubscribe: send an email to delphi-requ...@delphi.org.nz > > <mailto:delphi-requ...@delphi.org.nz> > > > <mailto:delphi-requ...@delphi.org.nz > > <mailto:delphi-requ...@delphi.org.nz>> with Subject: unsubscribe > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > NZ Borland Developers Group - Delphi mailing list > > > Post: delphi@delphi.org.nz <mailto:delphi@delphi.org.nz> > > > Admin: http://delphi.org.nz/mailman/listinfo/delphi > > > Unsubscribe: send an email to delphi-requ...@delphi.org.nz > > <mailto:delphi-requ...@delphi.org.nz> with Subject: unsubscribe > > > > _______________________________________________ > > NZ Borland Developers Group - Delphi mailing list > > Post: delphi@delphi.org.nz <mailto:delphi@delphi.org.nz> > > Admin: http://delphi.org.nz/mailman/listinfo/delphi > > Unsubscribe: send an email to delphi-requ...@delphi.org.nz > > <mailto:delphi-requ...@delphi.org.nz> with Subject: unsubscribe > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > NZ Borland Developers Group - Delphi mailing list > > Post: delphi@delphi.org.nz <mailto:delphi@delphi.org.nz> > > Admin: http://delphi.org.nz/mailman/listinfo/delphi > > Unsubscribe: send an email to delphi-requ...@delphi.org.nz > > <mailto:delphi-requ...@delphi.org.nz> with Subject: unsubscribe > > > > > > > > > > -- > > Kyley Harris > > Harris Software > > +64-21-671-821 > > > > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > > > _______________________________________________ > > NZ Borland Developers Group - Delphi mailing list > > Post: delphi@delphi.org.nz > > Admin: http://delphi.org.nz/mailman/listinfo/delphi > > Unsubscribe: send an email to delphi-requ...@delphi.org.nz with Subject: > unsubscribe > > _______________________________________________ > NZ Borland Developers Group - Delphi mailing list > Post: delphi@delphi.org.nz > Admin: http://delphi.org.nz/mailman/listinfo/delphi > Unsubscribe: send an email to delphi-requ...@delphi.org.nz with Subject: > unsubscribe > -- Kyley Harris Harris Software +64-21-671-821
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