Agreed.
If I put aside my grumpiness about the Unicode issue (which does annoy me) I don’t actually have a problem with the overall policy, in my opinion pretty much any software company that wants to grow longterm these days needs to have a way of getting ongoing value out of existing users whether through maintenance fees, upgrades, or whatever. So it’s a fair cop to say that upgrade pricing is only available for 3 years or so. And I really would like to use XE2, just frustrating that we have this unwelcome obstacle and potential stumbling block with our biggest customers to overcome. David. From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Jolyon Smith Sent: Monday, 19 September 2011 11:30 a.m. To: NZ Borland Developers Group - Delphi List Subject: Re: [DUG] XE2 upgrade Ah yes, I see. The other way to look at it is that if you haven't upgraded since D2007 then you are "up" by $500 USD for each version upgrade since... (2009, 2010, XE... $1500 in total). So if you upgrade now/in the next 3 months you get $2000 worth of upgrades (2009, 2010, XE, XE2) for $500, PLUS retain the right to upgrade to XE3 - or indeed the right to not upgrade again until XE6 if you prefer (assuming current policy and practices continue). I understand the problem of not being able to use those intermediate (or indeed current) versions directly, but at some point I guess the value in the transaction has to be weighed in terms of opportunity cost as well as more tangible measures. Which isn't to say that I agree with the tactic of strong-arming upgrades in this way. I don't. Also, upgrading now would equip you to undertake NEW projects in a Unicode version of Delphi (if possible and relevant), or at least test them (or specific pieces of new code) in such a version while developing primarily in 2007, making any future effort to migrate ALL your projects to Unicode that bit easier than if you continue to create ALL projects in non-Unicode versions untested in a Unicode version, creating just more "will it convert/migrate safely/easily/reliably/performantly" questions that you have still yet to answer. imho. ymmv. :) On 19 September 2011 11:01, David Brennan <[email protected]> wrote: Yes, this is a nice feature and one I applaud, but not particularly relevant to us (it would be very relevant if we wanted to buy a new Delphi 2007 licence I agree). My point is that we already have Delphi 2007 licences. My complaint is that apparently they intend making these licences invalid for upgrades in three months time. That implies we should upgrade shortly BUT we can’t actually use anything we get out of the upgrade. So the upgrade would purely be to get upgrade pricing and hoping that we will be able to use XE2 sometime in the near future. Given that two upgrades cost more than buying from scratch the question of whether we would be able to switch from 2007 to XE2 before the next version (XE3) comes out becomes critical. I don’t actually know the answer to that currently. Cheers, David. From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Jolyon Smith Sent: Monday, 19 September 2011 10:19 a.m. To: NZ Borland Developers Group - Delphi List Subject: Re: [DUG] XE2 upgrade You need not worry too much on that score. XE2 continues the "feature" introduced in XE of providing licenses for a number of earlier versions of Delphi. That covers D2007 thru XE and Delphi 7. The only slight catch is that you have to specifically request products keys for those additional licenses within 180 days of registering your XE2 license. But 180 days (6 months, give or take) is plenty of time (but also enough time to "forget"!), but they could make the process of obtaining those keys easier ... well, getting the keys is easy enough, but finding out where to GO to get them isn't. You would have thought they would put a URL in the ESD order email (or better yet, just send you keys and download links for ALL versions to which you have entitlement). On 19 September 2011 09:56, David Brennan <[email protected]> wrote: The problem with this policy Embarcadero has is that Delphi 2007 is the last non Unicode and many (including us) are stuck on that because Unicode will inevitably introduce some bugs, take up a bit more memory and potentially slow things down which are all negatives for our biggest customers and given these customers are English speaking there is no upside for us to point to (they don’t really care that the software can then be made to support Japanese etc). So upgrading to Delphi XE2 currently would be purely just to keep us in the upgrade loop with a valid version. We can’t use any version newer than the one we already have. And that sucks. Having said that there are sufficient new features in the language and the IDE appears to have stabilised enough with the recent versions that we MIGHT be able to make a commercial case for upgrading our applications to XE2. It is just a much harder case to make than if there was a switch to turn Unicode off (as I believe Jolyon has lamented in the past). Cheers, David. From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Jolyon Smith Sent: Monday, 19 September 2011 9:32 a.m. To: NZ Borland Developers Group - Delphi List Subject: Re: [DUG] XE2 upgrade http://store.digitalriver.com/store?Action=DisplayCategoryProductListPage <http://store.digitalriver.com/store?Action=DisplayCategoryProductListPage&SiteID=borland&Locale=en_NZ&categoryID=628800> &SiteID=borland&Locale=en_NZ&categoryID=628800 Note that the NZ store is the "International USD Store" so prices are in USD. Note also that as mentioned in my reply to John, upgrade pricing is only valid for D2007 licenses and later (D2009 and later from 1 Jan 2012) On 19 September 2011 09:18, Leigh Wanstead <[email protected]> wrote: Where can I find the delphi xe2 price url? Regards Leigh 2011/9/19 Jolyon Smith <[email protected]> iirc the (current) policy is "current and two previous versions" So for XE2 "current" = "XE" and two previous would be 2010 and 2009. Since they introduced the upgrade versions window "traditionally" they have extended an "upgrade amnesty" for the *next* older version until the end of the year following release of a new version. All of this would appear to still hold true this time around. From the Embarcadero online store product information page: * Upgrade pricing is available to registered owners of 2007-XE versions of RAD Studio, Delphi or C++Builder; Professional, Enterprise or Architect editions. * ... * After Dec 31, 2011, only 2009-XE users qualify for upgrade pricing. So your D2007 license will remain valid for upgrades until Dec 31 this year. On 17 September 2011 22:08, John Bird <[email protected]> wrote: I am planning ahead for when I upgrade from D2007 to either XE2 or the next version – is there an existing deadline that D2007 as a valid upgrade version will expire? (ie after that I would have to buy a new version?) 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