I was looking at it from a perspective of database management in production. It may not necessarily be done by programmers. Toad is Oracle-specific. That's what makes it useful to DBAs, PL/SQL programmers, even business users sometimes. Same for phpMyAdmin.

But then again, with Derby's focus on embedding making database a "black box" app backend instead of business data repository, this may be less important, so you may have a point here.

Anyone has any (if only anecdotal) information on how Derby is actually used (server vs. embedded)?

Andrus


On Jan 27, 2006, at 11:03 AM, Veaceslav Chicu wrote:
how much non programmers look directly in derby?

derby is a tool for programmers, programmers are users of derby (see
their applications)

users use applications

no need for a derby specific gui, derby expose SQL and jdbc interface,
which are standard

best regards,
Slavic


Andrus Adamchik wrote:
I'd say go with standalone as well. It makes sense because Derby itself
is a database, not a development framework, so there is a good chance
that many potential users of the GUI won't be IDE users at all.

Andrus


On Jan 27, 2006, at 10:33 AM, Manyi Lu wrote:
A GUI for derby is a great idea. I have used SquirreL, but it lacks
some functionality, and it is under LGPL not Apache license.

A stand alone GUI would be better, people tend to use different IDEs.

Manyi


duminda wrote:

Hi,
 What does the community most wanted, Eclipse or Stand alone?.
  Duminda


    ----- Original Message -----
    From: Satheesh Bandaram
    To: Derby Discussion
    Sent: Friday, January 27, 2006 12:59 PM
    Subject: Re: Developing a UI for Derby

Sounds nice. Derby doesn't have its own GUI. This page at Apache
Derby lists several known GUI tools that work with Derby. Are you
thinking of a stand-alone tool or on some framework... like Eclipse?

    http://db.apache.org/derby/integrate/misc.html#Products+by+Type

    Satheesh

    duminda wrote:

    Hi,
         I'm interested in developing a GUI for Derby with Apache
licence.
    Schema browser
    alter table (column/constraint)
    DML (insert/delete/update)
         This will be something like "Toad" to "Oracle".
         Is there any tool already exist?
         Regards!
    Duminda











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