2011/4/19 Christoph Noack <christ...@dogmatux.com>: > Hi Heinzs, hi Ricardo, hi Jay! > > First, I have to agree that the animation was excellent - it's great to > see how you "packaged" the idea. How did you make that (some time ago, I > used Gimp to create animations but it was a tedious task...)? > > Now to the more detailed stuff ... > > Am Dienstag, den 19.04.2011, 21:11 +0200 schrieb RGB ES: >> 2011/4/19 planas <jsloz...@gmail.com>: >> > On Tue, 2011-04-19 at 14:56 +0200, Sparkling Specks wrote: > ... >> >> In the upcoming 3.4 release there will be an additional button in >> >> dialogs, "Apply," to apply changes made in dialogues without closing >> >> the dialogue. This new button means that now there are five or six >> >> buttons on the bottom of many properties dialogs, "OK," "Apply," >> >> "Cancel," "Reset," ("Default"), "Help." > > Totally agreed, this is a bit too much. > >> >> In an attempt to cut that number down again, I want to propose >> >> combining the Apply and Reset buttons. There's a bug about that here: >> >> https://bugs.freedesktop.org/show_bug.cgi?id=36112 , an animation to >> >> show the feature ( >> >> https://bugs.freedesktop.org/attachment.cgi?id=45456 ) is attached to >> >> the bug -- please excuse its amateurish execution. > >> > My only concern is that many users would not carefully read the button >> > labels and not realize the function has changed. >> >> Agree. Sadly there is not an easy solution for this. A possibility >> would be to "merge" buttons (normal click to accept, long click to >> apply, or add a "menu" to accept button, so if you click on it you >> accept, but with long click a menu opens), but this will only change >> clutter with complexity... > > Mmh, I'm currently a bit worried that even Format "Paragraph Style" is > different from Format "Paragraph" ... however, in the current version we > end up with: > > OK Apply Cancel Help Reset Standard > > Both Reset and Standard are somehow tied to the styles and have to be > kept - but, especially Reset (=Revert) fits nicely to a different kind > of dialog. > > Let's assume that any change within this dialog applies the changes > immediately (reasonable with regard to today's computational power). The > dialog itself would be non-modal - and each of the changes has to be put > into the undo stack. Then we can change the buttons and their behavior > to: > > Close Revert Help Standard > > Close = Closes the dialog (the changes have already been applied) > Revert = Reverts the changes since the dialog was opened (a bit > different to the original reset that resets all changes on the current > tab page) > Standard = same behavior as before > > If we would (consistently!) apply rules on Mac OS X or Gnome, then we > might shift the Help button to improve the structure to: > > Help Close Revert Standard > > The "normal" paragraph dialog may be changed to: > > Help Close Revert > > How does that sound? Even if we stick with the today's position of > "Help", I think it would be an improvement. > > It would be great to have a generic specification for that, so we can > address the developers of all the modules to change the behavior. Anyone > interested in picking this up? Would be excellent and incredibly helpful > - I'm currently unable to work on that. Thanks! > > Cheers, > Christoph > > > -- > Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to design+h...@libreoffice.org > Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette > List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/www/design/ > All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted > What about this crazy idea?: reset the style to former status is an "administrative task", so let's put the Standard button *only on the Organizer tab*, for example just below the "Contains". After all you should not need to use the "Standard" button so often: it needs to be available, but not in front of you all the time... What do you think? Cheers, Ricardo
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