Hi Rafael, Andrew! Rafael, wow, a post that covers many of my thoughts ... thanks for that :-)
Am Dienstag, den 25.10.2011, 10:41 -0200 schrieb Rafael Rocha Daud: > Hi Andrew, > > Em 25-10-2011 08:00, Andrew Pullins <[email protected]> escreveu: [... Citrus Prposal ...] > I don't think Citrus is a bad idea, on the whole. The problem with it > is: they have been conceived as a whole. Things should look pretty, of > course (my girlfriend loves LibreOffice, but my brother won't use it > unless it looks better -- same story everywhere), but that's not our > only concern: we already have a large userbase, and a way of how things > work in the interface. You cannot simply change this overnight. But you > know that. >From the user's point-of-view, that's absolutely true. But its also true from the point of the developers - things have to be specified, coordinated, developed, tested, documented, ... so it needs to be done step by step anyway. > So, assuming you know that, this is not a matter of embracing Mirek's > design or not, but whether to embrace it in each part. That's why > there's is the UI_Elements [1] page: we should see them as parts, > discuss one by one and find out if it's for better to change it or not. > Small changes are easier to do, to manage, to get used to (from a user > and developer point of view), but most of all, it needs hacking, so you > cannot go to devs and say: "this is how we would like the whole > application to look". You have to take one small part and convince them > that it would be important to change this one, because it would better > this and that. Even if they are convinced ... descriptions like Citrus are rather ideas but something a (or in this case: many) developer(s) can start working with. > Even inside our team: even if Citrus is a good idea (which I'm not > convinced about, but this is off-topic now), there could be better > solutions for each element. This discussion sounds the same as the > (thankfully dead) ribbon/not ribbon one. Because it's not a matter of > changing the whole interface (that's the mistake Microsoft did, but > that's according to theirs, not ours, model of business), it's a matter > of enhancing small parts at each time. Yep, and there are ideas / issues that can be addressed now ... but of course an "80% stable solution concept" like Citrus helps to guide (note: I'm also not fully sure if the whole Citrus concept fits yet, but hopefully Mirek and his thoughts will be around). > That leads to the question, what do we want from LibreOffice, often > raised (Christoph mentions that again from the Paris conference -- miss > the link now, sorry). We should discuss that instead of > Citrus/Ribbon/any ready-magic solution. Well, in Paris we've talked about the "vision" for LibreOffice in general. That's something I'd love to discuss (and finally decide, but don't know how yet - how to involve all stakeholders). I've already pinged the members of the little group how to continue. Any wishes from your (all) side? Back to this list. I think that parts of the UI / workflows can be improved nevertheless ... I'll better stop here, it surely gets redundant ;-) Andrew, do you have any special area of interest you'd like to contribute? Thanks Rafael! Cheers, Christoph -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to [email protected] Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/design/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
