Hello, 2011/10/22 Astron <heinzless...@googlemail.com>
> Hi Andrew, > > >> As it was explained at the conference, the code used in one will be used > in > >> the other, so we won't have two suites. > > > > > > umm... thats what I said. I know that we can reuse code. > > I'll try to summarise what is necessary for LibreOffice Online (I hope > this won't madden you): > * Broadway (i. e. the server code that makes the GTK+ → Canvas > conversion and serves it) – part of GTK+ 3 (not LibreOffice!) and > already written > * a good GTK+ 3 backend for LibreOffice's VCL toolkit – partially > written, and we'd need it anyway to make LibreOffice look good on GTK+ > 3 platforms (that is, all major current Linux distributions), staying > with a GTK+ 2 backend only is not an option anyway > * some tweaks to floating toolbars and other window management things > – no idea, if there's anything there, but probably not a major effort. > As you can see, there's no reason for anxiety, as Broadway does the > magic and most of the work helps us on all desktop Linux platforms. > > This is very different for Android and IOS, because on both platforms, > LibreOffice would need a native, touch-centric port. In other words, a > complete UI rewrite – and that's where I see space for a start-up to > step in. I have doubts whether the current community is strong enough > to pull this off, but let's see. We shan't be pessimists. > +1 to all the above. > > > > I think that the people in this mailing list think that I am stupid or > > something. > > There are different people on this list, not everyone knows everyone > else and not everyone reads their mail equally thoroughly etc. Please > just bear with people when they repeat points that have already been > brought up. I wouldn't understand this as a personal attack. > > > > It would be nice to have a mobile LibreOffice, even a web based one. but > it > > will not make or brake LibreOffice. the majority of all documents will > still > > be created on the desktop. > > #1 I wouldn't be so sure about this. Tablets seem very attractive to > consumers, especially since using them is so "intuitive" and their > power to battery life balance is so far unmatched by laptops. > #2 For IOS there's I-Work, for WP7 there's MS Office, but for Android > there isn't much (i. e. Quickoffice) – so there's a real market niche > here. > > > > I would like to say that I am not against LibreOffice Android/iOS or > LOOL. I > > think that these are things that will be great to have. im saying that > we > > need to start on the UI of LibreOffice NOW. we can't wait to have a > working > > tablet/online suite to start working on the desktop UI. which is what > will > > happen if we start the tablet/online suites and not the desktop UI. > > Please read what I said more carefully. I didn't say that we (as the > community) should stop working on the desktop suite to make the mobile > suite happen. Quite the opposite. > > > > people are not going to download our suite as it is. my sister refuses to > > use it, even for the time being until my dad puts M$ Office on her > computer, > > because it looks awful. people think that open source is ugly, and will > not > > use it because of that. > > You can't force her to use it. Also, please don't imply that MS Office > isn't ugly. It is (see also: inconsistent UI fonts, non-resizable > dialogues, huge installation size, OOXML). > > > > there are awesome tools hidden behind things that most people > > would not even think of looking through, and the nerds are too lazy to go > > though. we need to clean up the UI, NOW. > > Please realise this isn't a dictatorship. It's a meritocracy, and the > way to gain merit for design people here is to try and work with the > devs on their ideas. Devs don't always have so much interest in the > UI, so you'll slowly have to convince them of your value. > Yes and... write specifications as a team. UI groundwork . :) Best, Charles. > > Astron. > > -- > Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to design+h...@global.libreoffice.org > Problems? > http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ > Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette > List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/design/ > All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be > deleted > -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to design+h...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/design/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
