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> Please realise this isn't a dictatorship. It's a meritocracy, and the > way to gain merit for design people here is to try and work with the > devs on their ideas. Devs don't always have so much interest in the > UI, so you'll slowly have to convince them of your value. Im trying to get the design team on my side so that WE can get the DEV team on OUR side. in hopes that WE AS A HOLE can get the ball rolling on the thing. On Sat, Oct 22, 2011 at 5:18 PM, Andrew Pullins <android2...@gmail.com>wrote: > I'll try to summarise what is necessary for LibreOffice Online (I hope >> >> this won't madden you): >> > > Im not mad, im just a bit fustrated and trying to make every one see why we > need to get this rolling soon. > > >> * Broadway[...]part of GTK+ 3 (not LibreOffice!) and >> already written >> > > cool > > >> * a good GTK+ 3 backend for LibreOffice's VCL toolkit – partially >> written, and we'd need it anyway to make LibreOffice look good on GTK+ >> 3 platforms (that is, all major current Linux distributions), staying >> with a GTK+ 2 backend only is not an option anyway >> > > so to make LOOL we need to change GTK+2 to GTK+3 which we are going to have > to do to make the desktop UI look good any way? > > >> * some tweaks to floating toolbars and other window management things >> – no idea, if there's anything there, but probably not a major effort. >> > > are you talking code or GUI here. because here is a link to what Mirek has > done to the floatbars > http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/File:Trs-float.png > > >> As you can see, there's no reason for anxiety, as Broadway does the >> magic and most of the work helps us on all desktop Linux platforms. > > > you say for linux, but what about widows and mac, will it be the same > amount of work as for linux? > > so to make LOOL will just be an easy port with some minor changes to make > it work, and sence we are changing it any way it will not be that hard to > make the same changes to the desktop. Right? > > This is very different for Android and IOS, because on both platforms, >> LibreOffice would need a native, touch-centric port. In other words, a > > complete UI rewrite > > > of corse the UI for these devices will be different. it will have to be > drasticly different. we should try to make it work as much like the desktop > as we can but still be as simplistic as possible. for these devises we do > not want it to be complicated. because thats what the devices were made > for, simplicity. > > >> – and that's where I see space for a start-up to step in. I have doubts > > whether the current community is strong enough to pull this off, but > > let's see. We shan't be pessimists. > > > I don't know what you mean by the start-up, but it seems as though we > should then start on the LOOL/desktop. then tackal the tablet. besides the > tablet suite will need a completly new kind of UI all together. though Im > looking at the Citrus UI and it is already very simplistic enough to be a > tablet suite. if you can not tell I am absolutly enamerd by Citrus, and > think that it is one of the best UI designs I have ever seen. I really > recomened that you read Mirek's blog to learn more about how it works, > because its not just a pritty UI, it works differently then what we have > used before. > http://clickortap.wordpress.com/ > > > >> #1 I wouldn't be so sure about this. Tablets seem very attractive >> toconsumers, >> especially since using them is so "intuitive" and their >> >> power to battery life balance is so far unmatched by laptops. >> > > yes but have you ever tryed to write a document on something that does not > have a key board and does not work like the desktop counter part. I mate be > wrong but I think that most people will still create on the desktop. > > >> #2 For IOS there's I-Work, for WP7 there's MS Office, but for Android >> there isn't much (i. e. Quickoffice) – so there's a real market niche >> here. > > > oh I understand this, im just arguing that fact that we need to keep up on > the desktop counterparts before we make the tablet/LOOL suites. > > Please read what I said more carefully. I didn't say that we (as thecommunity) >> should stop working on the desktop suite to make the mobile >> >> suite happen. Quite the opposite. >> > > im not saying that development will stop ether, bugs will be reported and > fixed. some features will be added... but will the UI be improved if we > start on two new projects... I think not. > > You can't force her to use it. Also, please don't imply that MS Officeisn't >> ugly. > > > I did not force her to use it, computer broke, we fixed it, she did not > have M$O so I tried to introduce her to a alternative that she may have > liked while deciding whether or not she wanted to reinstall M$O. im not > trying to imply anything. I just talked to her about why she did not like it > and she said that."I did not know how to maneuver it, I looked old, I did > not know how it worked... and umm well... it looked old." yah I put her into > a program that she did not know how to use, but she is smart and has used > text editors much like this all the time. but she was still turned off > by that it looked old. yes people do not use M$O because it looks good, they > use it because(well its all they know of because of Micro$ft) of the > navigation, and the tool set, and its what they have been using for a long > time, and it LOOKS GOOD. > > It is (see also: inconsistent UI fonts, non-resizable >> dialogues, huge installation size, OOXML). > > > what??? > > >> Please realise this isn't a dictatorship. It's a meritocracy, and theway >> to gain merit for design people here is to try and work with the >> >> devs on their ideas. Devs don't always have so much interest in the >> UI, so you'll slowly have to convince them of your value. >> > > how is this convincing... if we do not change the UI, what we are doing > is pointless. The Dev team, the design team, the marketing team, the waht > ever else we have team. > > just bear with people when they repeat points that have already been >> brought up. I wouldn't understand this as a personal attack. > > > its not a personal attack, got it, people will repeat things, got it. you > have repeated both twice in the thread by the way. im just trying to get > people to understand the UI side > > > -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to design+h...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/design/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
