Hi Björn, > In the past I (and many other experienced design and usability people) more or > less left this group / mailing list. This is definitely not due to a lack of > interest - I still read a lot of the stuff written here.
Sure, it's a huge problem that we don't have any UX professional as a regular contributor currently. But is it not a tad unfair to blame the people that are actively working on things here for that not being the case? I'm sure if there was no one posting here at all, the UX professionals wouldn't come in droves either. > I am not writing this to show off - I am writing this in the hope you might be > interested in the experience I gained over the past years and you might accept > my following criticism to be constructive - and not as trolling or ranting > around. It's probably best to lead by example not by criticising... no? > - nobody from the design team even talked to the GSOC student or the mentor I believe this criticism is unfair, in particular to Mirek. (Who posted his conversation in this thread; he's talked to relevant developers on other topics as well.) > - there was no proper analysis of requirements You might be able to help us here, I guess. We're currently using the Scope field of Whiteboards. If you want to propose a better process to go along with that, please do. > - there was no agreement on the goals that need to be achieved (just to name > some) Hm, this is one of my own criticism of the current whiteboard workflow we have. So yes, I agree. > UX is a service discipline to the coders. If we do this service well enough, > we might be able to set our own topics on the agenda - but to my experience > this will take a (very) long time of providing excellent service first. We're trying to go into this direction. Meanwhile, there's still ux-advise for very focused UX advice. If would like to help out there: would love that. > A bit unrelated, but also important: with the current way of doing things, we > are creating such an amount of white noise on the mailing list that some > people (like me) simply cannot follow the discussions anymore. So, you blame the people actively trying to work here for actively trying to work here? This list might get 50 messages per week on good weeks, it's near dead on bad weeks. Our mail volume doesn't even come close to that of the developer list (80 messages _per day_ on a good week, maybe 20 _per day_ on a bad week). By the nature of this list, yes, the noise ratio is higher than e. g. on the developer list (developers push patches that will likely get applied; designers do mockups/etc. that might not lead to anything or even be completely wrong-headed). You're free not to read everything, btw. Regards, Astron. PS: On the topic of surveys... I'd be very much interested in a survey on the placement of the Add/Remove buttons on my conditional formatting proposal. I imagine having ~three participant groups, and each group gets a more-or-less functional HTML mockup with differently positioned Add/Remove buttons. Would that be something that we could do together? -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to [email protected] Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/design/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
