That makes sense Mirek. Thanks for clearing the reasoning behind the need for devs!
However, I would suggest creating an area where designers could share designs and discussions between themselves under the LO umbrella and not spread around Deviantart or their user pages. Maybe a LO design forum where designers could discuss with each others and maybe even get some devs to take a peek at it? On Tue, Jul 8, 2014 at 11:32 PM, Mirek M. <[email protected]> wrote: > Hi Stuart, Pedro, > > 2014-07-08 14:18 GMT+02:00 V Stuart Foote <[email protected]>: > > Mirek, *, >> >> Regards para 1): why would there need to be a developer already in >> agreement >> to start the process? It would be nice if one, or more, were already on >> board, but much of the argument for implementation actually comes from >> fleshing out the details of what the enhancement should be. >> >> Admittedly a developer's understanding of the structure of the program >> and >> cross platform implementation early in the process improves feasibility of >> implementation and can provide reasonable bounds to the design. But, >> waiting for developers to appear and take an interest otherwise stifles >> design. >> >> On the other hand, if there is a reasonable flow of good designs from the >> Design process that result in implementation then that flow becomes the >> norm. More developers will "check-in" to see what needs to be worked on, >> and I'd expect that a fair number would actually make design >> contributions. >> As is now many do their own design work while implementing their code. >> > > That was my original thought too. > However, working without a dev hasn't worked out for us at all. > Let me give some examples: > * The design of the template dialog was dramatically different from the > proposed design because of a lack of designer/developer communication (and > I'm mostly to fault there). Things like drag-and-drop to create a folder, > design for a single-level hierarchy, a stack switcher-like widget, > single-click-based design, etc. were scrapped mostly because of technical > reasons and that resulted in design problems and a sub-par experience. > * There have been several attempts to design the color picker, but they > haven't been brought to a conclusion. The struggle there was that there was > no way of telling how it would be implemented -- would the current picker > evolve through a series of easy hacks? would it be written from scratch? > would LibreOffice support themes by the time it was worked on? > * The original Android Remote's coverflow-like slide view moved too > quickly. If the dev and the designer worked hand-in-hand, the physics of > the switching slides would be adjusted to a more comfortable speed. > > 2014-07-08 15:45 GMT+02:00 Pedro Rosmaninho <[email protected]>: > >> Agree with Stuart, waiting for devs to start the process would severely >> limit the work. Why not have the designers brainstorm and come up with >> creative solutions even if no dev is present at the beginning. >> > > There's no restriction on brainstorming for designers, but whiteboards > aren't a place for those. Designers can post their ideas on their user > pages or on networks like DeviantArt. > > Whiteboards should be designed with implementation in mind, and that > requires dev cooperation. > > It would allow for more creativity and cooperation between designers and >> even if something fails to atract dev interest it will still result in the >> designers better knowing each other, cooperating and in the fostering of a >> creative atmosphere. >> > > There are a number of things that designers can work on that would have > dev support or that don't require dev support (e.g. working on icon sets, > reporting and bringing attention to design bugs, ...). > > There's still room for mockups and prototypes without dev backing, but > that should be left to user pages and DeviantArt. > -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: [email protected] Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/design/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
