I find the collapsing functionality very helpful. The only thing that
I've never used is collapsing only-child comments (though this is useful
for unhiding hidden comments).

I am pretty sure we are not supporting hidden comments so we could
probably remove the collapse button by default from only-child comments.

However, if users could eventually sort/filter comments by the
upvote/downvote of comment tags then we could collapse/expand comments
which don't match. So it would probably be useful to keep only-child
comment collapse buttons...

Anyway, I find collapse buttons very useful and helpful.

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> Date: Fri, 16 Oct 2015 20:06:07 +0200
> From: mray <[email protected]>
> To: [email protected]
> Subject: Re: [Design] discussion/ticket system mockups
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> On 16.10.2015 04:57, Stephen Michel wrote:
>>
>> On Thu, Oct 15, 2015 at 6:29 PM, mray <[email protected]> wrote:
>>> After some discussions with wolftune it dawned on me that we probably
>>> have to stick to our discussion/ticket system.
>>
>> Stick to our discussion/ticket system as opposed to...?
> 
> ... something that can be considered a finished product.
> 
>>
>>> I thought we might as well make it more usable then. Here is where we
>>> currently are:
>>>
>>> https://img.bi/#/tMpXHzF!jefIs_vKO6A8a2S4CFDwDg6TK4Qw9JNMzHkb99u5
>>>
>>>
>>> Any feedback?
>>
>> The border around the inner shaded posts is not dark enough for me to
>> clearly distinguish the border. Making all the inner borders the same
>> darkness makes a world of difference, though it's a small change:
>>
>> https://img.bi/#/q1mhu9l!A8SXKRNJ6v3l9RTgHGn1KgyWq8kxDnUxc0OV1fO-
>>
>> ~Stephen
>>
> 
> It is ok not to be able to distinguish the border.
> The border has the sole purpose of highlighting the change of background
> color. And even that does not have to be something that needs to be
> distinguished clearly.
> 
> The main goal is to make it easy to read the connection of posts in
> terms of partents and children so that you don't get confused.
> indentation is probably the biggest mechanism that cares about that,
> background and borders are just supposed to help.
> 
> The really dark border at the very left is just to indicate that this is
> the topmost post and you're not missing any context.
> 
> 
> Robert
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> On Fri, Oct 16, 2015 at 2:06 PM, mray <[email protected]> wrote:
>>
>>
>> On 16.10.2015 04:57, Stephen Michel wrote:
>>>
>>>  On Thu, Oct 15, 2015 at 6:29 PM, mray <[email protected]> wrote:
>>>>  After some discussions with wolftune it dawned on me that we 
>>>> probably
>>>>  have to stick to our discussion/ticket system.
>>>
>>>  Stick to our discussion/ticket system as opposed to...?
>>
>> ... something that can be considered a finished product.
>>
>>>
>>>>  I thought we might as well make it more usable then. Here is where 
>>>> we
>>>>  currently are:
>>>>
>>>>  https://img.bi/#/tMpXHzF!jefIs_vKO6A8a2S4CFDwDg6TK4Qw9JNMzHkb99u5
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>  Any feedback?
>>>
>>>  The border around the inner shaded posts is not dark enough for me 
>>> to
>>>  clearly distinguish the border. Making all the inner borders the 
>>> same
>>>  darkness makes a world of difference, though it's a small change:
>>>
>>>  https://img.bi/#/q1mhu9l!A8SXKRNJ6v3l9RTgHGn1KgyWq8kxDnUxc0OV1fO-
>>>
>>>  ~Stephen
>>>
>>
>> It is ok not to be able to distinguish the border.
>> The border has the sole purpose of highlighting the change of 
>> background
>> color. And even that does not have to be something that needs to be
>> distinguished clearly.
>>
>> The main goal is to make it easy to read the connection of posts in
>> terms of partents and children so that you don't get confused.
>> indentation is probably the biggest mechanism that cares about that,
>> background and borders are just supposed to help.
>>
>> The really dark border at the very left is just to indicate that this 
>> is
>> the topmost post and you're not missing any context.
> 
> I think I may have been unclear. Here's your original image, with 
> borders and posts identified.
> 
> https://img.bi/#/bZHUWcV!bS6MpE0KIso8MSg8f3vDKgXjvYNBVP4rF6i3RKD-
> 
> Border 1 is very dark.
> Border 2 is dark.
> Border 3 and 4 are light. So light that it is difficult for me to pick 
> out the borders of post A and B.
> This makes posts A and B run together for me.
> 
> I propose changing borders 3 and 4 to be the same darkness as border 2 
> (maybe it's just a rendering issue, but borders 3 and 4 are lighter in 
> the image. In my earlier image, I changed the top and left borders of 
> post A to be in the style of border 2. That's all I'm proposing.
> 
>>
>>
>> Robert
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> Date: Fri, 16 Oct 2015 14:47:32 -0700
> From: Aaron Wolf <[email protected]>
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> On 10/16/2015 02:41 PM, Stephen Michel wrote:
>>
>>
>> On Fri, Oct 16, 2015 at 2:06 PM, mray <[email protected]> wrote:
>>> On 16.10.2015 04:57, Stephen Michel wrote:
>>>
>>>     On Thu, Oct 15, 2015 at 6:29 PM, mray <[email protected]
>>>     <mailto:[email protected]>> wrote:
>>>
>>>         After some discussions with wolftune it dawned on me that we
>>>         probably have to stick to our discussion/ticket system. 
>>>
>>>     Stick to our discussion/ticket system as opposed to...? 
>>>
>>> ... something that can be considered a finished product.
>>>
>>>         I thought we might as well make it more usable then. Here is
>>>         where we currently are:
>>>         https://img.bi/#/tMpXHzF!jefIs_vKO6A8a2S4CFDwDg6TK4Qw9JNMzHkb99u5
>>>         Any feedback? 
>>>
>>>     The border around the inner shaded posts is not dark enough for me
>>>     to clearly distinguish the border. Making all the inner borders
>>>     the same darkness makes a world of difference, though it's a small
>>>     change:
>>>     https://img.bi/#/q1mhu9l!A8SXKRNJ6v3l9RTgHGn1KgyWq8kxDnUxc0OV1fO-
>>>     ~Stephen 
>>>
>>> It is ok not to be able to distinguish the border. The border has the
>>> sole purpose of highlighting the change of background color. And even
>>> that does not have to be something that needs to be distinguished
>>> clearly. The main goal is to make it easy to read the connection of
>>> posts in terms of partents and children so that you don't get
>>> confused. indentation is probably the biggest mechanism that cares
>>> about that, background and borders are just supposed to help. The
>>> really dark border at the very left is just to indicate that this is
>>> the topmost post and you're not missing any context. 
>>
>> I think I may have been unclear. Here's your original image, with
>> borders and posts identified.
>>
>> https://img.bi/#/bZHUWcV!bS6MpE0KIso8MSg8f3vDKgXjvYNBVP4rF6i3RKD-
>> <https://img.bi/#/bZHUWcV!bS6MpE0KIso8MSg8f3vDKgXjvYNBVP4rF6i3RKD->
>>
> That link was no good because it was coded with http://https:// in the
> link. The text worked though.
> 
> 
>> Border 1 is very dark.
>> Border 2 is dark.
>> Border 3 and 4 are light. So light that it is difficult for me to pick
>> out the borders of post A and B.
>> This makes posts A and B run together for me.
>>
>> I propose changing borders 3 and 4 to be the same darkness as border 2
>> (maybe it's just a rendering issue, but borders 3 and 4 are lighter in
>> the image. In my earlier image
>> <https://img.bi/#/q1mhu9l!A8SXKRNJ6v3l9RTgHGn1KgyWq8kxDnUxc0OV1fO->, I
>> changed the top and left borders of post A to be in the style of border
>> 2. That's all I'm proposing.
>>
> 
> While I see Robert's point that the borders aren't necessarily
> important, I must say that I agree with Stephen in that his mockup that
> had all internal borders be equally thick simply looked better to me. I
> find the increased border clarity to simply make it easier to
> distinguish things and just looks better to me. So I 100% support
> Stephen's subtle proposal.
> 
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