On 10/16/2015 05:55 PM, Jacob Chapman wrote:
> I find the collapsing functionality very helpful. The only thing that
> I've never used is collapsing only-child comments (though this is useful
> for unhiding hidden comments).
> 
> I am pretty sure we are not supporting hidden comments so we could
> probably remove the collapse button by default from only-child comments.
> 

We're not hiding comments due to being unpopular as we aren't wanting
Reddit-style popularity contests (and we have a different more
substantial flagging system for disrespectful stuff). But we *do* have
some functions for collapsing and hiding for other reasons that would
apply to single-comments still.

> However, if users could eventually sort/filter comments by the
> upvote/downvote of comment tags then we could collapse/expand comments
> which don't match. So it would probably be useful to keep only-child
> comment collapse buttons...
> 
> Anyway, I find collapse buttons very useful and helpful.
> 
> On 10/17/2015 6:38 AM, [email protected] wrote:
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>>    1. Re: discussion/ticket system mockups (mray)
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>>    3. Re: discussion/ticket system mockups (Aaron Wolf)
>>    4. Re: discussion/ticket system mockups (Stephen Michel)
>>    5. Re: discussion/ticket system mockups (Stephen Michel)
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>> Message: 1
>> Date: Fri, 16 Oct 2015 20:06:07 +0200
>> From: mray <[email protected]>
>> To: [email protected]
>> Subject: Re: [Design] discussion/ticket system mockups
>> Message-ID: <[email protected]>
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>> On 16.10.2015 04:57, Stephen Michel wrote:
>>>
>>> On Thu, Oct 15, 2015 at 6:29 PM, mray <[email protected]> wrote:
>>>> After some discussions with wolftune it dawned on me that we probably
>>>> have to stick to our discussion/ticket system.
>>>
>>> Stick to our discussion/ticket system as opposed to...?
>>
>> ... something that can be considered a finished product.
>>
>>>
>>>> I thought we might as well make it more usable then. Here is where we
>>>> currently are:
>>>>
>>>> https://img.bi/#/tMpXHzF!jefIs_vKO6A8a2S4CFDwDg6TK4Qw9JNMzHkb99u5
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Any feedback?
>>>
>>> The border around the inner shaded posts is not dark enough for me to
>>> clearly distinguish the border. Making all the inner borders the same
>>> darkness makes a world of difference, though it's a small change:
>>>
>>> https://img.bi/#/q1mhu9l!A8SXKRNJ6v3l9RTgHGn1KgyWq8kxDnUxc0OV1fO-
>>>
>>> ~Stephen
>>>
>>
>> It is ok not to be able to distinguish the border.
>> The border has the sole purpose of highlighting the change of background
>> color. And even that does not have to be something that needs to be
>> distinguished clearly.
>>
>> The main goal is to make it easy to read the connection of posts in
>> terms of partents and children so that you don't get confused.
>> indentation is probably the biggest mechanism that cares about that,
>> background and borders are just supposed to help.
>>
>> The really dark border at the very left is just to indicate that this is
>> the topmost post and you're not missing any context.
>>
>>
>> Robert
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>> Date: Fri, 16 Oct 2015 17:41:24 -0400
>> From: Stephen Michel <[email protected]>
>> To: Design discussion for Snowdrift.coop <[email protected]>
>> Subject: Re: [Design] discussion/ticket system mockups
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>> On Fri, Oct 16, 2015 at 2:06 PM, mray <[email protected]> wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>> On 16.10.2015 04:57, Stephen Michel wrote:
>>>>
>>>>  On Thu, Oct 15, 2015 at 6:29 PM, mray <[email protected]> wrote:
>>>>>  After some discussions with wolftune it dawned on me that we 
>>>>> probably
>>>>>  have to stick to our discussion/ticket system.
>>>>
>>>>  Stick to our discussion/ticket system as opposed to...?
>>>
>>> ... something that can be considered a finished product.
>>>
>>>>
>>>>>  I thought we might as well make it more usable then. Here is where 
>>>>> we
>>>>>  currently are:
>>>>>
>>>>>  https://img.bi/#/tMpXHzF!jefIs_vKO6A8a2S4CFDwDg6TK4Qw9JNMzHkb99u5
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>  Any feedback?
>>>>
>>>>  The border around the inner shaded posts is not dark enough for me 
>>>> to
>>>>  clearly distinguish the border. Making all the inner borders the 
>>>> same
>>>>  darkness makes a world of difference, though it's a small change:
>>>>
>>>>  https://img.bi/#/q1mhu9l!A8SXKRNJ6v3l9RTgHGn1KgyWq8kxDnUxc0OV1fO-
>>>>
>>>>  ~Stephen
>>>>
>>>
>>> It is ok not to be able to distinguish the border.
>>> The border has the sole purpose of highlighting the change of 
>>> background
>>> color. And even that does not have to be something that needs to be
>>> distinguished clearly.
>>>
>>> The main goal is to make it easy to read the connection of posts in
>>> terms of partents and children so that you don't get confused.
>>> indentation is probably the biggest mechanism that cares about that,
>>> background and borders are just supposed to help.
>>>
>>> The really dark border at the very left is just to indicate that this 
>>> is
>>> the topmost post and you're not missing any context.
>>
>> I think I may have been unclear. Here's your original image, with 
>> borders and posts identified.
>>
>> https://img.bi/#/bZHUWcV!bS6MpE0KIso8MSg8f3vDKgXjvYNBVP4rF6i3RKD-
>>
>> Border 1 is very dark.
>> Border 2 is dark.
>> Border 3 and 4 are light. So light that it is difficult for me to pick 
>> out the borders of post A and B.
>> This makes posts A and B run together for me.
>>
>> I propose changing borders 3 and 4 to be the same darkness as border 2 
>> (maybe it's just a rendering issue, but borders 3 and 4 are lighter in 
>> the image. In my earlier image, I changed the top and left borders of 
>> post A to be in the style of border 2. That's all I'm proposing.
>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Robert
>>>
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>> Date: Fri, 16 Oct 2015 14:47:32 -0700
>> From: Aaron Wolf <[email protected]>
>> To: [email protected]
>> Subject: Re: [Design] discussion/ticket system mockups
>> Message-ID: <[email protected]>
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>> On 10/16/2015 02:41 PM, Stephen Michel wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>> On Fri, Oct 16, 2015 at 2:06 PM, mray <[email protected]> wrote:
>>>> On 16.10.2015 04:57, Stephen Michel wrote:
>>>>
>>>>     On Thu, Oct 15, 2015 at 6:29 PM, mray <[email protected]
>>>>     <mailto:[email protected]>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>         After some discussions with wolftune it dawned on me that we
>>>>         probably have to stick to our discussion/ticket system. 
>>>>
>>>>     Stick to our discussion/ticket system as opposed to...? 
>>>>
>>>> ... something that can be considered a finished product.
>>>>
>>>>         I thought we might as well make it more usable then. Here is
>>>>         where we currently are:
>>>>         https://img.bi/#/tMpXHzF!jefIs_vKO6A8a2S4CFDwDg6TK4Qw9JNMzHkb99u5
>>>>         Any feedback? 
>>>>
>>>>     The border around the inner shaded posts is not dark enough for me
>>>>     to clearly distinguish the border. Making all the inner borders
>>>>     the same darkness makes a world of difference, though it's a small
>>>>     change:
>>>>     https://img.bi/#/q1mhu9l!A8SXKRNJ6v3l9RTgHGn1KgyWq8kxDnUxc0OV1fO-
>>>>     ~Stephen 
>>>>
>>>> It is ok not to be able to distinguish the border. The border has the
>>>> sole purpose of highlighting the change of background color. And even
>>>> that does not have to be something that needs to be distinguished
>>>> clearly. The main goal is to make it easy to read the connection of
>>>> posts in terms of partents and children so that you don't get
>>>> confused. indentation is probably the biggest mechanism that cares
>>>> about that, background and borders are just supposed to help. The
>>>> really dark border at the very left is just to indicate that this is
>>>> the topmost post and you're not missing any context. 
>>>
>>> I think I may have been unclear. Here's your original image, with
>>> borders and posts identified.
>>>
>>> https://img.bi/#/bZHUWcV!bS6MpE0KIso8MSg8f3vDKgXjvYNBVP4rF6i3RKD-
>>> <https://img.bi/#/bZHUWcV!bS6MpE0KIso8MSg8f3vDKgXjvYNBVP4rF6i3RKD->
>>>
>> That link was no good because it was coded with http://https:// in the
>> link. The text worked though.
>>
>>
>>> Border 1 is very dark.
>>> Border 2 is dark.
>>> Border 3 and 4 are light. So light that it is difficult for me to pick
>>> out the borders of post A and B.
>>> This makes posts A and B run together for me.
>>>
>>> I propose changing borders 3 and 4 to be the same darkness as border 2
>>> (maybe it's just a rendering issue, but borders 3 and 4 are lighter in
>>> the image. In my earlier image
>>> <https://img.bi/#/q1mhu9l!A8SXKRNJ6v3l9RTgHGn1KgyWq8kxDnUxc0OV1fO->, I
>>> changed the top and left borders of post A to be in the style of border
>>> 2. That's all I'm proposing.
>>>
>>
>> While I see Robert's point that the borders aren't necessarily
>> important, I must say that I agree with Stephen in that his mockup that
>> had all internal borders be equally thick simply looked better to me. I
>> find the increased border clarity to simply make it easier to
>> distinguish things and just looks better to me. So I 100% support
>> Stephen's subtle proposal.
>>
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