On Mon, Oct 19, 2015 at 3:45 PM, Aaron Wolf <aa...@snowdrift.coop> wrote:


On 10/19/2015 12:30 PM, Stephen Michel wrote:
On Mon, Oct 19, 2015 at 3:25 PM, Bryan Richter <b...@chreekat.net> wrote:
 On Sun, Oct 18, 2015 at 09:43:26PM +0200, mray wrote:

On 18.10.2015 21:18, Aaron Wolf wrote: > > We want people to think is "I get the project $15 more dollars, and I > only had to chip in $6! Thanks everyone, all you 2,470 others! I'm so > glad we're all working together to support this!" I don't think we want that
     at all. This makes it sound as if this is a big bragain.

Then I think the message should be more clear. First off, it's crucial
 that people realize "When I give the project 6 bucks, it actually
receives 15 since other people match me." That is THE Snowdrift model.
 :) Matching-funds is one of the crucial differentating features of
Snowdrift, so if people don't like it, they won't like Snowdrift. And if they DO like it — which they should — we should highlight it so
 they understand it's what we do. We should be proud of it.

This fallacious good feeling is entirely based on the naive idea
     that you will never be asked to give more yourself - maybe way
     beyond $15 dollar.

Isn't it two different things to say, "Your funds will be matched by
 others," and, "Your donation won't change over time?" We can easily
 say the first one without making false claims about the second.
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 +1 to all of this.

 I'd like to highlight a different way of pitching it:

When you donate originally, your donation will be matched by all current donors. When a new donor joins on, there's now another person to match
 you, so your donation increases a little bit (and is matched).


To be precise, if you're an average patron, then when you *first*
pledge, you are basically matched 1:1. But then every additional small
amount you put it after that is matched many times over, maybe
thousands-to-one!

If you are the 5,000th patron and everyone's at the base level, then
your initial $5 is basically matched by $5 from others. But when the
*next* patron joins, your extra 0.1¢ is part of an extra $10 — your
extra is matched 10,000 to one!!

I'm not sure this is the right way to think about it. If I'm the 5,000th patron, my initial $5 is matched 1:1. Now the next patron joins, and I add .1¢. Say I decide $5.001 is too much to pay, so I decide to drop out. The project loses my $5.0001, and $5 from the other patrons decreasing their pledge. Still 1:1.

I stick by this way of describing it: When I initially pledge, all ~5k patrons match .1¢ of my donation. When the next person joins, they match my additional .1¢.
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