Thinking about this more.... I think there will be (if not already) quite a number of community members who argue that changing the design of the TOC doesn't fit as part of a typography update.
I'm not exactly sure the plans for deploying things for default and if it include TOC? If it is included, it might cause more trouble for the overall update. Maybe there will be a second phase of design updates that can include TOC? Cheers, Katie On Sat, Mar 29, 2014 at 7:28 AM, Katie Filbert <[email protected]>wrote: > On Sat, Mar 29, 2014 at 2:36 AM, Quiddity <[email protected]> wrote: > >> First, the happy feedback: >> The Thumbnail styles are currently being discussed at >> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:VPT#New_image_thumb_design >> Onwiki feedback, and further ideas, encouraged! >> >> >> On 14-03-28 05:02 PM, Steven Walling wrote: >> >> On Fri, Mar 28, 2014 at 4:58 PM, Jon Robson wrote: >>> >>> 3) Submit each of these as patches to Gerrit (unless there are any >>> complaints) >>> >>> >>> This is my suggestion. >>> >>> Some of these are pretty uncontroversial, like the TOC and the external >>> links change (which is a performance improvement and not a single beat >>> tester said anything negative about). Others of these require more >>> thought, like the thumbnail style and the blockquote styles. The easy >>> ones should just be iterated on a bit, and each submitted as patches >>> separately to discuss and potentially merge. >>> >> >> >> The ToC changes were not uncontroversial. >> >> * https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Talk:Typography_refresh/ >> Archive_2#TOC_broken >> * https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Talk:Typography_refresh/ >> Archive_2#I_don.27t_like_the_minimalist_styling >> >> The lack of bullet points becomes a problem when linewrap occurs, eg. >> http://i.imgur.com/uBpLLuZ.png vs http://i.imgur.com/RI9ZSBL.png >> >> The lack of numbers will cause issues for the 31,636[1] users who have >> the "Auto-number headings" userpreference enabled at Enwiki (plus more >> elsewhere). >> >> I still suggest using this code, which results in this look: >> http://i.imgur.com/k3ipFKz.png >> * Tweak Table of Contents boxes, to have smaller grey numbers and >> dot-suffixes */ >> .tocnumber:after, .mw-headline-number:after { content: "." } >> .tocnumber, .mw-headline-number { font-size: 80% !important; color:#333 >> !important;} >> > > While maybe not perfect, something like that seems ok to me, makes the TOC > less radical of a change and think the community would be more agreeable to > the change. > > Perhaps further iterations and design tweaks can happen at a later stage. > > Cheers, > Katie > > > >> >> Or, at minimum, move the ToC-numbering into the code for the "Auto-number >> headings" preference (a logical home), and just use bulletpoints for the >> default, as lists generally do. Style them however wanted, but we need >> /something/. >> >> [1] https://trello.com/c/tIsqX5LB/123-numberheadings-research-for-nick >> >> ----- >> >> The external link icon changes are not uncontroversial. >> >> nb. This is related to: http://i.imgur.com/VU0Ezcn.png (current vs >> Typography refresh/VectorBeta) >> >> This was last discussed here http://lists.wikimedia.org/ >> pipermail/design/2013-October/001039.html (my post, mid-way in thread) >> and the only thing there seemed to be consensus on was: replacing the >> yellow https icon with either the blue-colored one or the plain external >> link one. >> >> I think the Principle of Least Astonishment applies to many of those >> ext-link icons, such as the media links which might trigger the >> auto-playing of a loud audio sample. Definitely some of them are ripe for >> removal (such as "news:"; links), but not all, and it's worth discussing >> them properly before deciding. >> >> Where is the current CSS code for this stored? (both gitblit and/or >> onwiki) >> >> and how cross-wiki is the complexity? >> (ie. are there local CSS files at dozens of wikis which might have >> different icons? All I can find easily is the linked Italian one >> https://it.wikipedia.org/wiki/Aiuto:Icone_dei_link_esterni >> >> Would "Merging" icons/rules also be a possibility and helpful for >> reducing CSS payload size? e.g. 1 "media" icon, instead of 2 for "audio" >> and "video" >> >> Sidenote mostly for interest/comparison: Monobook (& Modern) uses a >> different set of icons: >> https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Help:External_ >> link_icons&useskin=monobook >> >> *TL;DR*: I'm 110% in favour of replacing the yellow padlock with the blue >> padlock. The rest should probably be split out, and given a brief >> discussion onwiki, listing pros & cons. >> I'd personally strongly support some changes, and weakly oppose other >> changes. >> >> >> --Quiddity >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Design mailing list >> [email protected] >> https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/design >> > > > > -- > Katie Filbert > Wikidata Developer > > Wikimedia Germany e.V. | Tempelhofer Ufer 23-24, 10963 Berlin > Phone (030) 219 158 26-0 > > http://wikimedia.de > > Wikimedia Germany - Society for the Promotion of free knowledge eV Entered > in the register of Amtsgericht Berlin-Charlottenburg under the number 23 > 855 as recognized as charitable by the Inland Revenue for corporations I > Berlin, tax number 27/681/51985. > -- Katie Filbert Wikidata Developer Wikimedia Germany e.V. | Tempelhofer Ufer 23-24, 10963 Berlin Phone (030) 219 158 26-0 http://wikimedia.de Wikimedia Germany - Society for the Promotion of free knowledge eV Entered in the register of Amtsgericht Berlin-Charlottenburg under the number 23 855 as recognized as charitable by the Inland Revenue for corporations I Berlin, tax number 27/681/51985.
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