A clarification:
By "moving more channels to it" I mean "implement the bridge in more channels"
if we see it is successful and we like the outcome. I didn't mean to retire IRC
channels at all.
Best regards,
Carlos Soriano
-------- Original Message --------
Subject: Re: Thoughs about communication
Local Time: February 3, 2017 1:43 PM
UTC Time: February 3, 2017 12:43 PM
From: desktop-devel-list@gnome.org
To: Sriram Ramkrishna <s...@ramkrishna.me>
Desktop Development List <desktop-devel-list@gnome.org>
Heya,
Should we go ahead then? Sri, let's go with #gnome and #engagement for now? If
the bridge works out well, we can move more channels to it soon.
I believe only thing needed is Matthew to set it up in matrix.org and gimpe.net
opers set it up the bridge right?
Best regards,
Carlos Soriano
-------- Original Message --------
Subject: Re: Thoughs about communication
Local Time: January 27, 2017 7:03 PM
UTC Time: January 27, 2017 6:03 PM
From: s...@ramkrishna.me
To: Allan Day <allanp...@gmail.com>
Desktop Development List <desktop-devel-list@gnome.org>
On Fri, Jan 27, 2017 at 8:55 AM Allan Day <allanp...@gmail.com> wrote:
On Thu, Jan 26, 2017 at 8:56 PM, Sriram Ramkrishna <s...@ramkrishna.me> wrote:
...
My two cents, and bear with me on my slight rant - I really hate the idea of
depending on a web app like riot. It's like admitting that we've lost the whole
application space and that we're going browser. I know that is not what is
intended, but that will be the perception.
I'd like to do this, but I'd like to start putting resources into creating a
viable chat client that works and is designed as a competition to a web app.
Maybe that means some kind of contest or something. I'm not really worried
about actually writing one after all matrix is an open standard, but the design
one that shows the advantage of running something native should be a challenge
that we need to meet head on.
...
While a native chat application would be nice, making it a requirement would be
a real mistake in my opinion. A couple of reasons for that:
It isn't that I want to make it a requirement. It's more of a challenge given
the prevalence of web based applications. I just want to make sure that we are
aware that we are doing that in this particular instance.
First, chat is fragmented. There's no common standard, and whatever we choose
is going to be one player among many. That puts it in a different category from
many of our core applications.
A good point. I suppose in this case, nobody will be happy because potential
contributors would be unhappy that we didn't pick the chat program they are
using. I know a number of us are using telegram since last GUADEC on occasion.
Second, the GNOME developer community is already spread too thin. One of the
most pressing questions we have right now is how we can focus our efforts on
critical areas. In order to do that, we need to leverage other projects and
initiatives when it benefits us. Because when we try to do everything in house,
it hurts us, whether it's maintaining our own infrastructure, writing our own
tools, or implementing every app ourselves. We end up being stuck behind the
curve.
Yes, I am aware of that and I will always rush first to champion the leveraging
of other groups and organizations. The social aspects of that is that we also
become insular when we need to be forging relationships with the groups around
us.
Obviously we're a community project and people will work on whatever itch they
want to scratch. I wouldn't discourage someone from working on something if
that's what they want to do. But that's different from making native apps a
hard requirement in cases like this.
Just to be clear, I'm not trying to make it a hard requirement, at the moment,
I just want to get it working and we'll figure out the client part at a later
date. Today, most people are used to using chat applications either from phone
or from their desktop using a web browser so I see no pressing need to put
resources into a client unless it's just a fun project.
We need to learn to tread lightly, embrace new things, and recognise that we
can't do everything ourselves. If we do that, I think we could find ourselves
in a pretty exciting place.
I agree completely.
sri
Allan
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