On Wed, 2019-01-23 at 19:47 +0000, Debarshi Ray wrote: > On Wed, Jan 23, 2019 at 05:39:44PM +0100, Bastien Nocera wrote: > > As Emmanuele mentioned, the problem isn't so much that services > > will > > disappear from under the applications (but it's a problem > > nonetheless), > > it's that there was no communication explaining that applications > > shouldn't have relied on GNOME Online Accounts in the first place, > > as > > the functionality could disappear for reasons not caused by those > > services, or applications. > > You are talking as if the application maintainer and the GNOME Online > Account maintainer are two disjoint entities. As if an active > community of contributors have been jeopardized by the arbitrary will > of the mythical GOA maintainer. > > That's false.
You dropped maintainership of gnome-documents, we're now dropping it from core GNOME, and by removing the Documents integration from GOA, you're crippling the application, whoever the new maintainer ends up being. > [rishi@kolache gnome-documents]$ git shortlog -ns | head > 1036 Cosimo Cecchi > 357 Debarshi Ray > 78 Alessandro Bono > 76 Daniel Mustieles > 68 Piotr Drag > 59 Bastien Nocera > 52 Kjartan Maraas > 39 Marek Cernocky > 36 Matej Urbancic > 36 William Jon McCann > > Since everybody is concerned about the Online Accounts integration, > let's look at gnome-online-miners.git. That's where the said > integration lives. > > [rishi@kolache gnome-online-miners]$ git shortlog -ns | head > 101 Debarshi Ray > 6 Pranav Kant > > And I am just not going to bother digging up review statistics from > Bugzilla. ;) > > I was also the only maintainer at least pretending to keep up with > the > GNOME schedule. > > > There wasn't any active community. > > We regularly released with glaring bugs that some of our downstreams > would consider blockers. Fedora releases would have blocked, had > those bugs been known. They weren't known because very few people, if > any, ever used the application, so nobody ever reported them. > > RHEL 7.x releases actually did block on those bugs. That's how those > eventually got noticed, fixed and backported. > > Boy, did I spend hours diligently backporting all those fixes, > spinning tarballs, doing downstream builds. Sometimes the backports > went across three or four stable branches - that's how glaring and > old > some of the bugs were. Not a soul cared. > > These bugs were regressions introduced by the occasional patch that > would get merged, or by changes in our JavaScript stack, or something > else. The upshot being that the reviewers themselves weren't using > the > application much, or didn't have enough time to diligently review the > patches; nor did it have any users in the wider GNOME community and > beyond. > > It was also clear that the GNOME designers weren't that excited about > GNOME Documents any more. > > > Yes, I could have started by listing all the reasons behind why > Documents is considered a dead-end. I didn't do that, so I am very > sorry about that. Right, this is it. Thanks. > However, I did give a brief background in my very next email to this > thread. Cosimo, Michael, Jakub and Allan were all part of the > discussions about it's future. > > But then, I haven't yet found anybody honestly asking why we gave up > on it. Instead people went ahead and drew whatever conclusions they > wanted to draw. I find that odd. > > It's not like this is the first time we have dropped things from > GNOME > Online Accounts. Back in 2017 [1] we had dropped Telepathy. I had > written a wall of text explaining that decision. Guess how many > replies that thread got. Surely, Telepathy has had a lot more users > in its time than Documents. > > So, I do find it strange that people are suddenly coming out of the > woodwork passionately fighting for the survival of GNOME Documents. It's not Documents. It's Documents, and Pocket, and email integration, which brings about the viability of applications ever integrating with gnome-online-accounts, lest they be crippled. > > [1] > https://mail.gnome.org/archives/desktop-devel-list/2017-October/msg00040.html _______________________________________________ desktop-devel-list mailing list desktop-devel-list@gnome.org https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/desktop-devel-list
